Mancini

[moomba]

I certainly wouldn't sign a contract where I knew I would be working under conditions that wouldn't be acceptable to me. I doubt many would.

So for me either RM is/was at least open to the idea of working with a DoF, or he didn't know Txiki would be coming in.

I'd be very surprised if it was the latter.

Things changed and he may no longer be prepared to work under those conditions of course.

 

[Balti]

 

[fbloke]

Would it be a fair assumption for me to make that we will be moving from having a manager to having a first team coach? Whenever that change happens of course?

The structure that has been built and is still being finished precludes the appointment of someone who would be -

a) In positive terms an Alex Ferguson

b) in negative terms a Tony Pullis

The problem that the club have to overcome then is the transition from a structure into which Roberto was brought in and ideally suited to and one that they perhaps Roberto and the new Director of Football have to adapt to or Roberto leaves?

Roberto is both the right man at the right time and the wrong man at the right time?

 

[Anonymous]

I certainly wouldn't sign a contract where I knew I would be working under conditions that wouldn't be acceptable to me. I doubt many would.

So for me either RM is/was at least open to the idea of working with a DoF, or he didn't know Txiki would be coming in.

I'd be very surprised if it was the latter.

Things changed and he may no longer be prepared to work under those conditions of course.

Exactly. It goes back to setting yourself up for failure or success. I'm looking to bail out of my current contract, as despite my best efforts, the amount of general fuckwittery from idiots where I work is only going to lead me down the failure path.

 

[Anonymous]

I certainly wouldn't sign a contract where I knew I would be working under conditions that wouldn't be acceptable to me. I doubt many would.

So for me either RM is/was at least open to the idea of working with a DoF, or he didn't know Txiki would be coming in.

I'd be very surprised if it was the latter.

Things changed and he may no longer be prepared to work under those conditions of course.

Exactly. It goes back to setting yourself up for failure or success. I'm looking to bail out of my current contract, as despite my best efforts, the amount of general fuckwittery from idiots where I work is only going to lead me down the failure path.

This is all premised on the notion that Mancini knew Txiki was being appointed. I'm not sure I believe that when you listen to the things he was saying about Marwood at the end of last season and throughout the summer. Struck me at the time and still strikes me now that Mancini was making it clear he couldn't work with the guy. Which really wouldn't be something you'd do if you knew the guy was toast and that someone else was coming in.

I can envisage a scenario where the club told Mancini that they would be bringing in a technical director at some point after they had appointed the new CEO, but since neither was in place when the contract was signed I can't imagine it would've been at the forefront of Mancini's thinking when he was looking at his fat pay rise and long term contract and all the ensuing financial benefits to him.

 

[samharris]

Neither Jose or Fergie have absolute power.

No one does...but some on here think that mancini wants it.. deluded.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOWogmT_Tzo[/youtube]

You can be penis breath.

 

[BobKowalski]

I can't imagine it would've been at the forefront of Mancini's thinking when he was looking at his fat pay rise and long term contract and all the ensuing financial benefits to him.

And there we go again...'fat pay rise' 'Italian chancer' etc, etc

There is a debate to be had here. Such a shame when it continually descends into cheap shots.

Yet raise some doubts over Pellegrini's or De Boer's CV. Then we are being precious over Mancini and should 'show some respect' - Oh the irony...

 

[Anonymous]

I can't imagine it would've been at the forefront of Mancini's thinking when he was looking at his fat pay rise and long term contract and all the ensuing financial benefits to him.

And there we go again...'fat pay rise' 'Italian chancer' etc, etc

There is a debate to be had here. Such a shame when it continually descends into cheap shots.

Yet raise some doubts over Pellegrini's or De Boer's CV. Then we are being precious over Mancini and should 'show some respect' - Oh the irony...

You're still being precious, precious. Someone offered me a fat pay rise and a new long term contract after I'd delivered big in my job, I'd be signing it without worrying too much about who might come in to make my job harder or tougher. Guess that makes me a chancer too.

EDIT:

Hahaha. I've just realised that that in fact did happen to me about 6 years ago. Delivered big. Got offered fat new contract and pay rise. New guy came in two months later and wanted his own team around him. Made my life difficult as fuck and binned me first chance he got. It is what it is.

 

[OB1]

No one does...but some on here think that mancini wants it.. deluded.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOWogmT_Tzo[/youtube]

You can be penis breath.

Pass the Listerine.

 

[ifiwasarichfan]

Some excellent debate so far on here this morning and this afternoon.

I for one dont blame Mancini for spitting out his Dummy over the poor Transfer Window last Summer, but I also dont blame Marwood. I think it was a definate case where the Club were waiting to see how the FFP rules were coming into play and also our major targets genuinely fitting in better at the Clubs they chose such as RVP at United and De Rossi staying put. I am hoping Mancini is positively licking his lips as he prepares to have these discussions with Txiki over (pulling names from the Transfer Forum) - Cavani,Jovetic,Suarez etc.

One area that I dont think has been discussed often enough on here is this concept that its the "Barca way or the Highway" and that a strong minded Manager such as Mancini is automatically going to be at odds with his DoF.

In the same way as its been muted earlier that Mancini would have been in on the news of Txiki's appointment and happy about it in view of all his work at Barca; by the same token I would expect Txiki to be impressed by Mancini's ability to win Trophies and improve players as individuals because he is an excellent Coach.

I haven't seen many of our other older posters in this thread much but I can definately say I have never seen a City side like this one that refuses to believe its beaten or a side with as much strength and flair. Hopefully Txixi respects this Mancini style of play for a few more Seasons where you see our side mix the strength of Jose's Chelsea with the flair of Wenger's Arsenal.

 

[samharris]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOWogmT_Tzo[/youtube]

You can be penis breath.

Pass the Listerine.

dont swallow.

 

[BobKowalski]

I can't imagine it would've been at the forefront of Mancini's thinking when he was looking at his fat pay rise and long term contract and all the ensuing financial benefits to him.

And there we go again...'fat pay rise' 'Italian chancer' etc, etc

There is a debate to be had here. Such a shame when it continually descends into cheap shots.

Yet raise some doubts over Pellegrini's or De Boer's CV. Then we are being precious over Mancini and should 'show some respect' - Oh the irony...

You're still being precious, precious. Someone offered me a fat pay rise and a new long term contract after I'd delivered big in my job, I'd be signing it without worrying too much about who might come in to make my job harder or tougher. Guess that makes me a chancer too.

Its not about making the job harder or tougher. Its about planning for the future by both sides. Your desire to relegate the importance of a 5 year contract to both Mancini and the owners as nothing more than Bob not seeing past pound signs is a nonsense. Ferran was on the radar for months before the contract was offered and signed and joined not long after. It is inconceivable that Mancini and his reps were not informed Ferran was joining or likely to join during negotiations. It is unlikely that Ferran was not informed about Mancini's new contract prior to his arrival if only as a courtesy. And where Ferran goes there is an excellent chance Txiki goes. You could glean all this by just reading the papers let alone through face to face negotiations directly with the board.

Mancini's 5 year contract does mean something. It is significant. How significant remains to be seen.

Again we have this reference to being precious or 'not wanting to debate potential successors' despite my own view of the Txiki/Mancini dynamic as more likely having Mancini leave than not. Yet I am being precious? Is this line simply used by you and others whenever the debate strays into areas you don't like?

 

[Anonymous]

Its not about making the job harder or tougher. Its about planning for the future by both sides. Your desire to relegate the importance of a 5 year contract to both Mancini and the owners as nothing more than Bob not seeing past pound signs is a nonsense.

What else is it ? A pay rise and a longer contract is exactly that. More wages and a bigger pay off if he goes. Mancini still had a year running on his contract so future planning was probably under way before the contract talks began. Hardly the fucking controversy you're trying to extract from my post.

Ferran was on the radar for months before the contract was offered and signed and joined not long after. It is inconceivable that Mancini and his reps were not informed Ferran was joining or likely to join during negotiations. It is unlikely that Ferran was not informed about Mancini's new contract prior to his arrival if only as a courtesy.

I've already said that. I'm sure that Ferran was informed, and I'm sure Mancini was told Cook was being replaced. It could well be that both Ferran and Txiki were named as potential successors for Cook and Marwood.

And where Ferran goes there is an excellent chance Txiki goes. You could glean all this by just reading the papers let alone through face to face negotiations directly with the board.

Again, you're just stating the obvious with a bluster.

Mancini's 5 year contract does mean something. It is significant. How significant remains to be seen.

Mancini had a year remaining on his previous contract and had just won the league. There really isn't a better time for him to negotiate his contract and get the best deal possible. Again, it is significant in the sense that he got the best deal he possibly could for himself as anyone would, but the idea that this was done within some larger wider conversations about Txiki, Ferran, and the future isn't something I lend much credibility to. If they were then Mancini went straight off script by coming back from the Sheikh telling him he wanted to focus on youth, and mouthing off about Marwood, Van Persie, and De Rossi.

Again we have this reference to being precious or 'not wanting to debate potential successors' despite my own view of the Txiki/Mancini dynamic as more likely having Mancini leave than not. Yet I am being precious? Is this line simply used by you and others whenever the debate strays into areas you don't like?

Listen, you picked out he last line of a two paragraph post to whine that I wasn't contributing to the debate and being snide about Mancini. Yes that's precious. Very fucking precious if you ask me. And considering it's coming from someone who for the most part has poured scorn, sarcasm, and snide comments over myself and one or two other posters, you will forgive me for not particularly giving much of a fuck and mocking you in kind.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Surely RM wouldn't have signed another contract without being aware of who was coming into the football club and what conditions he would be working under.

Or has last summers transfer business led to a change in philosophy at the club and the appointment of Txiki in particular?

Bingo!

 

[BobKowalski]

What else is it ? A pay rise and a longer contract is exactly that. More wages and a bigger pay off if he goes. Mancini still had a year running on his contract so future planning was probably under way before the contract talks began. Hardly the fucking controversy you're trying to extract from my post.

You honestly think that the new contract negotiations between Mancini's reps and the City Board was nothing more than how much moolah would be involved? Now that's a head scratcher. I guess it is just about disliking Mancini to the exclusion of all reason and logic.

Mancini had a year remaining on his previous contract and had just won the league. There really isn't a better time for him to negotiate his contract and get the best deal possible. Again, it is significant in the sense that he got the best deal he possibly could for himself as anyone would, but the idea that this was done within some larger wider conversations about Txiki, Ferran, and the future isn't something I lend much credibility to.

Yeah I kind of got that.

If they were then Mancini went straight off script by coming back from the Sheikh telling him he wanted to focus on youth, and mouthing off about Marwood, Van Persie, and De Rossi.

Manicni mouthed off about Marwood because Marwood was running the negotiations and Mancini feared it would have a negative impact on the season coming up if not done properly. He was right too as it turned out. Focusing on youth is very much for the future unless we had some gems in the academy Mancini was overlooking. Barca still buy players. We will still buy players. Mancini wants the right ones bought as he sees it and said so.

Listen, you picked out he last line of a two paragraph post to whine that I wasn't contributing to the debate and being snide about Mancini. Yes that's precious. Very fucking precious if you ask me. And considering it's coming from someone who for the most part has poured scorn, sarcasm, and snide comments over myself and one or two other posters, you will forgive me for not particularly giving much of a fuck and mocking you in kind.

You are not contributing to the debate. Debate implies you listen. You don't listen. You haven't listened for the last two years or so. You are so convinced you are right that Txiki could employ my dog to replace Mancini and you would post about what a great pedigree he's got. He hasn't for the record.

I pour scorn and sarcasm on you and others because you do precisely the same. The endless sneering posts; the staggering pomposity; the implied I know better than you because "I am smarter/understand top management/watch 20 hours of football a week/have the inside track" and so on its all there.

Heck don't get me wrong I would do it anyway because I'm a sarcastic c**t but seriously have a look in the mirror sweetie and reflect.

 

[Dextersmate]

What else is it ? A pay rise and a longer contract is exactly that. More wages and a bigger pay off if he goes. Mancini still had a year running on his contract so future planning was probably under way before the contract talks began. Hardly the fucking controversy you're trying to extract from my post.

You honestly think that the new contract negotiations between Mancini's reps and the City Board was nothing more than how much moolah would be involved? Now that's a head scratcher. I guess it is just about disliking Mancini to the exclusion of all reason and logic.

Mancini had a year remaining on his previous contract and had just won the league. There really isn't a better time for him to negotiate his contract and get the best deal possible. Again, it is significant in the sense that he got the best deal he possibly could for himself as anyone would, but the idea that this was done within some larger wider conversations about Txiki, Ferran, and the future isn't something I lend much credibility to.

Yeah I kind of got that.

If they were then Mancini went straight off script by coming back from the Sheikh telling him he wanted to focus on youth, and mouthing off about Marwood, Van Persie, and De Rossi.

Manicni mouthed off about Marwood because Marwood was running the negotiations and Mancini feared it would have a negative impact on the season coming up if not done properly. He was right too as it turned out. Focusing on youth is very much for the future unless we had some gems in the academy Mancini was overlooking. Barca still buy players. We will still buy players. Mancini wants the right ones bought as he sees it and said so.

Listen, you picked out he last line of a two paragraph post to whine that I wasn't contributing to the debate and being snide about Mancini. Yes that's precious. Very fucking precious if you ask me. And considering it's coming from someone who for the most part has poured scorn, sarcasm, and snide comments over myself and one or two other posters, you will forgive me for not particularly giving much of a fuck and mocking you in kind.

You are not contributing to the debate. Debate implies you listen. You don't listen. You haven't listened for the last two years or so. You are so convinced you are right that Txiki could employ my dog to replace Mancini and you would post about what a great pedigree he's got. He hasn't for the record.

I pour scorn and sarcasm on you and others because you do precisely the same. The endless sneering posts; the staggering pomposity; the implied I know better than you because "I am smarter/understand top management/watch 20 hours of football a week/have the inside track" and so on its all there.

Heck don't get me wrong I would do it anyway because I'm a sarcastic c**t but seriously have a look in the mirror sweetie and reflect.

Awaits Dave!.

 

[andyhinch]

What else is it ? A pay rise and a longer contract is exactly that. More wages and a bigger pay off if he goes. Mancini still had a year running on his contract so future planning was probably under way before the contract talks began. Hardly the fucking controversy you're trying to extract from my post.

You honestly think that the new contract negotiations between Mancini's reps and the City Board was nothing more than how much moolah would be involved? Now that's a head scratcher. I guess it is just about disliking Mancini to the exclusion of all reason and logic.

Mancini had a year remaining on his previous contract and had just won the league. There really isn't a better time for him to negotiate his contract and get the best deal possible. Again, it is significant in the sense that he got the best deal he possibly could for himself as anyone would, but the idea that this was done within some larger wider conversations about Txiki, Ferran, and the future isn't something I lend much credibility to.

Yeah I kind of got that.

If they were then Mancini went straight off script by coming back from the Sheikh telling him he wanted to focus on youth, and mouthing off about Marwood, Van Persie, and De Rossi.

Manicni mouthed off about Marwood because Marwood was running the negotiations and Mancini feared it would have a negative impact on the season coming up if not done properly. He was right too as it turned out. Focusing on youth is very much for the future unless we had some gems in the academy Mancini was overlooking. Barca still buy players. We will still buy players. Mancini wants the right ones bought as he sees it and said so.

Listen, you picked out he last line of a two paragraph post to whine that I wasn't contributing to the debate and being snide about Mancini. Yes that's precious. Very fucking precious if you ask me. And considering it's coming from someone who for the most part has poured scorn, sarcasm, and snide comments over myself and one or two other posters, you will forgive me for not particularly giving much of a fuck and mocking you in kind.

You are not contributing to the debate. Debate implies you listen. You don't listen. You haven't listened for the last two years or so. You are so convinced you are right that Txiki could employ my dog to replace Mancini and you would post about what a great pedigree he's got. He hasn't for the record.

I pour scorn and sarcasm on you and others because you do precisely the same. The endless sneering posts; the staggering pomposity; the implied I know better than you because "I am smarter/understand top management/watch 20 hours of football a week/have the inside track" and so on its all there.

Heck don't get me wrong I would do it anyway because I'm a sarcastic c**t but seriously have a look in the mirror sweetie and reflect.

Top ranting:)

 

[bernabias home shirt]

What else is it ? A pay rise and a longer contract is exactly that. More wages and a bigger pay off if he goes. Mancini still had a year running on his contract so future planning was probably under way before the contract talks began. Hardly the fucking controversy you're trying to extract from my post.

You honestly think that the new contract negotiations between Mancini's reps and the City Board was nothing more than how much moolah would be involved? Now that's a head scratcher. I guess it is just about disliking Mancini to the exclusion of all reason and logic.

Mancini had a year remaining on his previous contract and had just won the league. There really isn't a better time for him to negotiate his contract and get the best deal possible. Again, it is significant in the sense that he got the best deal he possibly could for himself as anyone would, but the idea that this was done within some larger wider conversations about Txiki, Ferran, and the future isn't something I lend much credibility to.

Yeah I kind of got that.

If they were then Mancini went straight off script by coming back from the Sheikh telling him he wanted to focus on youth, and mouthing off about Marwood, Van Persie, and De Rossi.

Manicni mouthed off about Marwood because Marwood was running the negotiations and Mancini feared it would have a negative impact on the season coming up if not done properly. He was right too as it turned out. Focusing on youth is very much for the future unless we had some gems in the academy Mancini was overlooking. Barca still buy players. We will still buy players. Mancini wants the right ones bought as he sees it and said so.

Listen, you picked out he last line of a two paragraph post to whine that I wasn't contributing to the debate and being snide about Mancini. Yes that's precious. Very fucking precious if you ask me. And considering it's coming from someone who for the most part has poured scorn, sarcasm, and snide comments over myself and one or two other posters, you will forgive me for not particularly giving much of a fuck and mocking you in kind.

You are not contributing to the debate. Debate implies you listen. You don't listen. You haven't listened for the last two years or so. You are so convinced you are right that Txiki could employ my dog to replace Mancini and you would post about what a great pedigree he's got. He hasn't for the record.

I pour scorn and sarcasm on you and others because you do precisely the same. The endless sneering posts; the staggering pomposity; the implied I know better than you because "I am smarter/understand top management/watch 20 hours of football a week/have the inside track" and so on its all there.

Heck don't get me wrong I would do it anyway because I'm a sarcastic c**t but seriously have a look in the mirror sweetie and reflect.

WOW
Fantastic post......

 

[Anonymous]

You are not contributing to the debate. Debate implies you listen. You don't listen. You haven't listened for the last two years or so. You are so convinced you are right that Txiki could employ my dog to replace Mancini and you would post about what a great pedigree he's got. He hasn't for the record.

This is basically what it comes down to. You think I'm not being fair on Blusterin' Bob ( the manager, not you ). I really could care less precious, it just irritated me that you'd ignored the post in question and picked out the last two lines to continue to whine about how I'm not being fair on Blusterin' Bob.

I pour scorn and sarcasm on you and others because you do precisely the same. The endless sneering posts; the staggering pomposity; the implied I know better than you because "I am smarter/understand top management/watch 20 hours of football a week/have the inside track" and so on its all there.

Heck don't get me wrong I would do it anyway because I'm a sarcastic c**t but seriously have a look in the mirror sweetie and reflect.

I'll refer you to this post. Make of it what you will precious.

it was the deluded religious nutters who, as usual, cast the first stone, and then start with the crocodile tears when they are proven to be in the wrong and craven

all of a sudden those who have been attacked by these zealots are expected to cow down before them

try practicing what you preach you hypocrites

 

[robbieh]

What else is it ? A pay rise and a longer contract is exactly that. More wages and a bigger pay off if he goes. Mancini still had a year running on his contract so future planning was probably under way before the contract talks began. Hardly the fucking controversy you're trying to extract from my post.

You honestly think that the new contract negotiations between Mancini's reps and the City Board was nothing more than how much moolah would be involved? Now that's a head scratcher. I guess it is just about disliking Mancini to the exclusion of all reason and logic.

Mancini had a year remaining on his previous contract and had just won the league. There really isn't a better time for him to negotiate his contract and get the best deal possible. Again, it is significant in the sense that he got the best deal he possibly could for himself as anyone would, but the idea that this was done within some larger wider conversations about Txiki, Ferran, and the future isn't something I lend much credibility to.

Yeah I kind of got that.

If they were then Mancini went straight off script by coming back from the Sheikh telling him he wanted to focus on youth, and mouthing off about Marwood, Van Persie, and De Rossi.

Manicni mouthed off about Marwood because Marwood was running the negotiations and Mancini feared it would have a negative impact on the season coming up if not done properly. He was right too as it turned out. Focusing on youth is very much for the future unless we had some gems in the academy Mancini was overlooking. Barca still buy players. We will still buy players. Mancini wants the right ones bought as he sees it and said so.

Listen, you picked out he last line of a two paragraph post to whine that I wasn't contributing to the debate and being snide about Mancini. Yes that's precious. Very fucking precious if you ask me. And considering it's coming from someone who for the most part has poured scorn, sarcasm, and snide comments over myself and one or two other posters, you will forgive me for not particularly giving much of a fuck and mocking you in kind.

You are not contributing to the debate. Debate implies you listen. You don't listen. You haven't listened for the last two years or so. You are so convinced you are right that Txiki could employ my dog to replace Mancini and you would post about what a great pedigree he's got. He hasn't for the record.

I pour scorn and sarcasm on you and others because you do precisely the same. The endless sneering posts; the staggering pomposity; the implied I know better than you because "I am smarter/understand top management/watch 20 hours of football a week/have the inside track" and so on its all there.

Heck don't get me wrong I would do it anyway because I'm a sarcastic c**t but seriously have a look in the mirror sweetie and reflect.

Bob the reason you are provoking a response is because you are outsmarting and out-articulating the self styled masters of smart articulation. As Corporal Jones would say "they don't like it up em".

You are also right.