Manctopia on BBC2

Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
The bubble has to burst at some point. They always do. I remember after the last crash you could pick up an apartment in Beetham Tower for less then £100k.
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I don’t believe you could. They have held there value very well. Might have been one maybe sold at auction but not a chance that low for the vast majority. I have built apartments pretty much solid for twenty plus years now and there is so much nonsense spouted by people who are not informed that it is amazing. The new apartments built have an occupancy rate of circa 95 percent. The stock from the last cycle is tired and people want more amenity and provision and a better lifestyle. Pre covid the city was flying and becoming more of a beta city. It will bounce back well I am sure. You can’t go wrong with a property in the inner ring road. Absolute no brainier.

You ever heard anyone say there are too many houses in London???
 
worsleyweb said:
I don’t believe you could. They have held there value very well. Might have been one maybe sold at auction but not a chance that low for the vast majority. I have built apartments pretty much solid for twenty plus years now and there is so much nonsense spouted by people who are not informed that it is amazing. The new apartments built have an occupancy rate of circa 95 percent. The stock from the last cycle is tired and people want more amenity and provision and a better lifestyle. Pre covid the city was flying and becoming more of a beta city. It will bounce back well I am sure. You can’t go wrong with a property in the inner ring road. Absolute no brainier.

You ever heard anyone say there are too many houses in London???
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Reading these last two pages is infuriating.

They don’t want progress or wealth coming to Manchester, just so long as it continues to stink of piss so they can reminisce.

The kind of person who prefers City when we were shit.

The more apartments that go up, the more quality on offerthe more options people will have to live in decent gaffes for affordable prices.

Manchester is far better than it was 20 years ago and in 20 years it’ll be far better than now.

Since 2013 I’ve lived in the city centre for 4 of the last 7 years and I can tell you the reason you pay extra is because you can walk to a well paying job.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
The bubble has to burst at some point. They always do. I remember after the last crash you could pick up an apartment in Beetham Tower for less then £100k.
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Completely. There’s not going to be enough work to go around.

The trains are awful as is Manchester Airport. The city can’t cope with this influx and overpopulation.
 
worsleyweb said:
I don’t believe you could. They have held there value very well. Might have been one maybe sold at auction but not a chance that low for the vast majority. I have built apartments pretty much solid for twenty plus years now and there is so much nonsense spouted by people who are not informed that it is amazing. The new apartments built have an occupancy rate of circa 95 percent. The stock from the last cycle is tired and people want more amenity and provision and a better lifestyle. Pre covid the city was flying and becoming more of a beta city. It will bounce back well I am sure. You can’t go wrong with a property in the inner ring road. Absolute no brainier.

You ever heard anyone say there are too many houses in London???
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I was in the lift in the Beecham Tower once and Bojinov got in. I know this has know relevance to the discussion but I thought I would share my only Bojinov story.
 
Ban-jani said:
Manchester is far better than it was 20 years ago and in 20 years it’ll be far better than now.
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Define better? Not all of us identify with craft beer and gourmet burgers. We want houses with little gardens.

Ordinary people who made the city special are being forced out for new arrivals. Gentrification has killed London too.
 
peoffrey said:
Define better? Not all of us identify with craft beer and gourmet burgers. We want houses with little gardens.

Ordinary people who made the city special are being forced out for new arrivals. Gentrification has killed London too.
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Plenty of houses in Manchester with little gardens? Lakes an hour and a bit away. An airport that can take you anywhere in the world? Peak District an hour away and Yorkshire dales. North wales to visit. Tonnes of local football teams to watch. An arena and another’s one the way. Job opportunities. Lovely parks such as Tatton Park, Heaton Park. Amazing pubs. Good down to earth people and of course City.

I have a drive out nearly every Sunday to a country pub or a bike ride to one.

I honestly think it is an incredible place to live mate. I am sorry you don’t seem to have settled anywhere but I am a proud Mancunian and have loved living here all my life.

Think a place is what you make it.
 
peoffrey said:
Define better? Not all of us identify with craft beer and gourmet burgers. We want houses with little gardens.

Ordinary people who made the city special are being forced out for new arrivals. Gentrification has killed London too.
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I don’t drink craft beer, I eat all kinds of burgers and I live in a house with a little garden.

It’s better because of the tram network, it’s better because it’s economy has vastly improved and there’s loads of opportunity (Covid-19 apart), it’s better because there’s so many nicer areas in the city centre - spinningfields, St Peter’s square, Castlefield, Ancoats etc. 15 years ago you wouldn’t be seen dead in Ancoats, now it’s a hub of bars, restaurants, stylish apartments converted from the Mills.

Manchester is retaining the good parts of its culture, as above and the general feeling in the city but is combining it with an economy and comfortable living.

The worst bits of Manchester are the bits that have always been there, the crime and the scroats selling drugs.

Some of my close mates are southerners and have rented in the city centre and then bought houses in south Manchester, working in town still and they have fully bought into the city and we’re better for having people like them in the area.

It’s basic economics that the more city centre living built, the cheaper it will be and long may they continue to build.
 
worsleyweb said:
Plenty of houses in Manchester with little gardens? Lakes an hour and a bit away. An airport that can take you anywhere in the world? Peak District an hour away and Yorkshire dales. North wales to visit. Tonnes of local football teams to watch. An arena and another’s one the way. Job opportunities. Lovely parks such as Tatton Park, Heaton Park. Amazing pubs. Good down to earth people and of course City.

I have a drive out nearly every Sunday to a country pub or a bike ride to one.

I honestly think it is an incredible place to live mate. I am sorry you don’t seem to have settled anywhere but I am a proud Mancunian and have loved living here all my life.

Think a place is what you make it.
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Bang on.

I live in a suburb of Stockport, I look out my window and there’s a nice country pub and a field with horses in and a nice canal, yet I’m 30 mins drive from the city centre which I can park in for £5 all day or a £7 train journey that takes 13 mins if I get the express one every hour.

This isn’t a brag, my house isn’t exactly big but there’s loads of affordable homes like mine in greater Manchester.
 
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worsleyweb said:
Plenty of houses in Manchester with little gardens? Lakes an hour and a bit away. An airport that can take you anywhere in the world? Peak District an hour away and Yorkshire dales. North wales to visit. Tonnes of local football teams to watch. An arena and another’s one the way. Job opportunities. Lovely parks such as Tatton Park, Heaton Park. Amazing pubs. Good down to earth people and of course City.

I have a drive out nearly every Sunday to a country pub or a bike ride to one.

I honestly think it is an incredible place to live mate. I am sorry you don’t seem to have settled anywhere but I am a proud Mancunian and have loved living here all my life.

Think a place is what you make it.
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Top post worsleyweb

Just to add on the sporting front mate, there’s a Test Match cricket ground and top flight Rugby League and Rugby Union teams on the doorstep.

There’s also Universities that will continue to help to attract people.
 
Places like Todmorden have been on the up and up mainly due to having frequent train links to manchester, 4 an hour at best and 30 mins away. Ramsbottom too due to its proximity and similar environmental quality, even though there is a lack of a train or tram and roads getting busier each year, voted best place in the UK to live a year or so ago.

Manchester is turning into London, house prices and beer prices, the most important indices, yet the MCC area remains one of the poorest places in the country. Certainly not the makings of an economic utopia.
 
wayne71 said:
A welsh bloke that lives in Liverpool on here slagging Manchester off again.

Do one you depressing ****.
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I live in London. It even says so next to my name. And yes, I've had mental have problems. Thanks for that one.

Manchester is becoming gentrified and it'll ruin it for the kind of people I spent my late teens with. Manc lads from Newton Heath, Miles Platting etc. Literally all of them have gone. Moved away.

A sea of disgustingly overpriced apartments and corporate firms taking over is not natural evolution. It's crap.
 
Its an interesting documentary for those of us that don't live in Manchester but see it as a second home. It is clearly trying to make a political point about 'real mancs' being priced out of the city. I don't know if that true or not but it did seem to have a little balance by letting the lady city supporter speak. I thought she was great, typical manc humour and loads of common sense. Regeneration on brown ground and derelict land good. Bulldozing perfectly good 70s neighbourhoods = bad. That seemed fair enough to me. It was sad that the homeless charity was evicted and Andy 'working day and night' Burnham didnt really come out of that looking good. Whilst Manchester has a homeless problem, there must be provision for the poor buggers to get some breakfast and shelter. That should be housed in the city centre not 3 or 4 miles outside it. The council surely should be helping provide some property for that. It didnt really come across that the Burnham/Vinnie initiative is making a difference. I truly believe that it is a problem that can be solved on a local basis. Im sure I read that Stockholm had tackled the problem and had housed 99% of their homeless by a combination of rehabilitation, social care and building.

The Manchester skyline is changing rapidly thats for sure.
Hope I am back soon.
 
I watched both episodes last night and it's both sad and exciting at the same time. It's great if you are doing well but it's the worst thing to ever happen for the people left behind.

I really felt sorry for the lady in the first episode who through no fault of her own went from being settled with her kids to being forced to move into a flat elsewhere, all because of rising rents and not her situation.

The rent market is currently untenable although it seems to suit city centres where as in London wages are just high enough to allow young kids to temporarily live the city lifestyle whilst keeping themselves alive on a pittance.

For most people though they won't ever be able to afford to buy and that's the big problem if you view property ownership as more important.
 
Enjoyed watching it so far. Only started watching it the first week when I found out an old work mate Euan was on there. He was the lad working at Salford Council
 
I’ve been watching this with interesting views from all , Manchester is Manchester!! Depending on where You live .. I was aged 5 living in Gorton and my mum dad had Their first house owned , then the city council made a compulsory order on it and we had a choice of either wythenshaw or gamesley ? My dad chose gamesley as it’s in the sticks , they then gladly dumped us to high peak council who for 50 odd years who have totally neglected us .
Gamesley is home now for us it’s a huge blue estate..no one can deny that and we have proud manc roots , but mcr council financial ethnic cleansing you’ve not learnt from fifty years ago .
 
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