Manuel Pellegrini (cont)

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Shaelumstash said:
Didsbury Dave said:
Rammy Blue said:
I could sort of get his playing Silva and Nasri as the "wide" midfielders, however to then play Dzeko up top with Sergio was utter fucking nonsense.

That was the team that won us the league last year if you swap Fernando for yaya.

I know I'm repeating myself but I had no problems with the starting eleven. It was the subs which were baffling. How on earth did Nasri stay on the field for 90 mins?

You're glossing over swapping Yaya for Fernando like it's no big deal. It's a fucking massive big, humongous deal. It's like swapping Kompany for Chesney off Coronation St and saying it's essentially the same team with one slight alteration.

I agree though that on paper his starting 11 wasn't an absolute disaster, but his substitutions were just absolutely bizarre. It did remind me of the Ajax away game in where it appeared that the manager had just completely lost the plot.

Pellegrini too often makes substitutions that make absolute no sense at all. Bringing Milner off in the derby springs to mind, bringing Lampard on at Stanford Bridge, bringing Silva off against Hull. No thought, no reasoning behind it. Often we don't need a change, we just need to stay patient. I genuinely feel if we'd made no changes against Chelsea or Hull (after the start of the second half) we'd have gone on to win both games. But he can't help himself to tinker with it, changes for changes sake.

Throwing Milner up front was the worst substitution I've seen from a manager since Pearce put David James up front.
We are playing poorly sure. But there was nothing wrong with Pelegrini's subs. Neither Silva or Nasri was doing anything impressive, so pulling either made no difference. They both were gash for the majority of the time on the pitch, so it didn't matter which one got pulled. Silva's history as a great player shouldn't be the basis for whether he should or shouldn't be pulled in a game in which he hadn't done anything of note.

This was actually one of his good decisions in my opinion, it's a good thing Silva knows the coach expects more from him, and if he is not delivering at his normal level, he'll be pulled. Nasri is a better defensive player, so if both he and Silva are playing poorly, there is nothing wrong with pulling Silva.

The players were listless. Should Pelegrini motivate them better? Yes. Was there anything wrong with his selection, and later substitutions? Absolutely not!
 
TCIB said:
Pellegrini's subs have been the most effective in the league if you look at stats.
Is that good or bad though ?
by and by, it probably just means he has good talent at his disposal.
 
sam-caddick said:
Balti said:
going backwards again after a promising run

is he really any better than Bobby? I'm still not convinced

Mancini was the perfect manager at the right time for us but he isn't this world class manager everyone makes him out to be. His man management is very poor and his tactics get exposed badly in the Champions League, albeit I do think he is better tactically than Manuel.

Pellegrini's biggest strength is his man management but tactically he is average in my opinion, for me he relies too much on a system of play that is played to create moments of individual brilliance, if those magic moments don't occur or the team is is having a bad day at the office the whole system collapses and he doesn't seem to have anywhere to go.

I can't see Pellegrini being here next season as I just hope Txiki and co go for the proven world class manager this team needs, i.e. Pep, Ancelotti, Simeone etc...

I will be disappointed if we go for another holistic yes man who just plays fantastic football, I want some grit and fight!

Pep would be the dream appointment.


What makes you so sure Pep could do better with the same players. Not saying Pellers is the best in the business, but our recent performances are not all down to him.
 
BobKowalski said:
OB1 said:
I think he has had fairly abysmal luck with refereeing decisions; yet again yesterday we were denied a stonewall penalty.

Do you think we need to start bitching about that? We don't have to go full on Mourinho but it does send out a message to the team as much as anyone else. Sometimes being seen to fight battles is just as useful as winning them. There is a sort of 'passive acceptance' about us at the moment and maybe the players would like to see the guy in charge of the team taking up the fight on their behalf. Anything right now to shake things up could prove useful.

Just a thought.

I agree, but the trouble is he gets slaughtered by the same media hypocrites who indulge Mourinho, when he does attempt to do this. I think he's done it twice, once after the Barca home defeat and once after the away draw at Arsenal, and on both occasions he's been made out to be a swivel eyed loon. Plus, however well he does speak English, it still isn't well enough to articulate himself, and particularly not when he's wound up. We all know what he was trying to say about referees used to officiating in front of crowds of 6000 in countries like Sweden, suddenly being handed huge Champions League games, but the media were able to twist his words into a racist rant - I recall that witch Alison Rydd at The Times wailing that it was the "worst thing" she had ever heard about a referee.
 
Shaelumstash said:
The main criticism I had of Pellegrini after his first 3 months in charge is that he is not adaptable. He plays the same way, no matter who we are playing. It makes us predictable and easy to figure out for opposition managers. In fairness to him, when we were without a striker in December, he changed the make up of the team, adapted and we played well. Credit to him for that. But really we only changed out of necessity.

Yesterday against Hull, if Yaya was fit, is there any doubt in anyone's mind whatsoever that he would have started? It would probably have been a straight swap for Fernando. As I mentioned earlier, they couldn't really be more different as players. Except for both looking rather lethargic on occasions, Yaya dominates the ball, dictates play, powers through oppositions with his strength and power. Fernando trudges around the centre circle hoping nobody notices he's hiding.

Yet despite these differences in their style of play, Pellegrini will swap them, one for one and expect the same outcome. This is Hull at home, a relegation fighting team. Yaya would have dominated their midfield, we would have took the game to them. Instead we play the apparently defensive minded Fernando. Why? Lampard or Milner are both better on the ball than Fernando, more drive going forwards, better passers, Milner has a higher work rate, Lampard has a great eye for goal. Yet Fernando is picked. Why?

If we were playing Tottenham at home yesterday we'd have picked exactly the same starting line up as we did against Hull. This despite the fact Tottenham are a high pressing, front foot team who play 4 at the back. Hull are a lethargic, relegation threatened team play 3 at the back, which you would assume means we could do with some width and pace to exploit the space down their wings. But Navas, despite coming off the back of his best game for City, is on the bench. Why?

I think the answer to both questions is that Pellegrini doesn't even consider the characteristics of the other team. It's basically an irrelevance to him. He thinks as long as we have "trust" it will all work out in the end. I understand this may have been passed down from above as part of the "hollistic" approach. Well is you are Barcelona 2009-2012 which are probably the best team ever assembled, and you are playing in a league where realistically only two other teams have got any chance of giving you a game, it's fine to be arrogant enough to just stick to what you like and not consider the opposition. But this is the Premier League, the most competitive league in the world. Anyone can beat anyone, as is proven every single week.

You have to take in to account the strengths and weaknesses of other teams, the strengths and weaknesses of your team, and come up with a game plan for every single game in order to win it. Ferguson did this for years. He may have stuck to the same kind of ideals, but if a team had a slow fullback, you can guarantee he's play his quickest winger against him. Pellegrini doesn't look at the game like that.

Navas playing well against Chelsea wasn't by design. It was an accident of being the only right winger available. If Nasri had been fit, Navas probably wouldn't have been played. Navas should have started against Hull to expose the space down their channels. Lampard or Milner should have played instead of Fernando because our midfield should have been on the front foot, not sitting deep and defending against Hull. This is not some kind of specialist tactical insight, it's just common sense!

Whether these decisions are being made by Pellegrini, or above his head, one thing is for sure, with our strongest 11 available, we are good enough to stick to our favoured shape / way of playing and beat anyone in this league. But when that strongest 11 is not available, we have to adapt. We have to analyse our opponents, analyse who we have available, and figure out a game plan of how to win.

Winning is more important than being holistic.


Post of the thread and by some distance.
 
Exeter Blue I am here said:
BobKowalski said:
OB1 said:
I think he has had fairly abysmal luck with refereeing decisions; yet again yesterday we were denied a stonewall penalty.

Do you think we need to start bitching about that? We don't have to go full on Mourinho but it does send out a message to the team as much as anyone else. Sometimes being seen to fight battles is just as useful as winning them. There is a sort of 'passive acceptance' about us at the moment and maybe the players would like to see the guy in charge of the team taking up the fight on their behalf. Anything right now to shake things up could prove useful.

Just a thought.

I agree, but the trouble is he gets slaughtered by the same media hypocrites who indulge Mourinho, when he does attempt to do this. I think he's done it twice, once after the Barca home defeat and once after the away draw at Arsenal, and on both occasions he's been made out to be a swivel eyed loon. Plus, however well he does speak English, it still isn't well enough to articulate himself, and particularly not when he's wound up. We all know what he was trying to say about referees used to officiating in front of crowds of 6000 in countries like Sweden, suddenly being handed huge Champions League games, but the media were able to twist his words into a racist rant - I recall that witch Alison Rydd at The Times wailing that it was the "worst thing" she had ever heard about a referee.

TBF, Pellegrini got slaughtered on here after he had a go at the ref after the Barca match last season. Loads of posters, including Kowalski, giving it large about how Pellegrini had lost it and needed to show more composure etc.

He really can't win and I don't know why certain posters bother to continue just criticising for the sake of it. It's almost as if they're afraid we'll forget that they never really rated him.
 
Mister Appointment said:
Exeter Blue I am here said:
BobKowalski said:
Do you think we need to start bitching about that? We don't have to go full on Mourinho but it does send out a message to the team as much as anyone else. Sometimes being seen to fight battles is just as useful as winning them. There is a sort of 'passive acceptance' about us at the moment and maybe the players would like to see the guy in charge of the team taking up the fight on their behalf. Anything right now to shake things up could prove useful.

Just a thought.

I agree, but the trouble is he gets slaughtered by the same media hypocrites who indulge Mourinho, when he does attempt to do this. I think he's done it twice, once after the Barca home defeat and once after the away draw at Arsenal, and on both occasions he's been made out to be a swivel eyed loon. Plus, however well he does speak English, it still isn't well enough to articulate himself, and particularly not when he's wound up. We all know what he was trying to say about referees used to officiating in front of crowds of 6000 in countries like Sweden, suddenly being handed huge Champions League games, but the media were able to twist his words into a racist rant - I recall that witch Alison Rydd at The Times wailing that it was the "worst thing" she had ever heard about a referee.

TBF, Pellegrini got slaughtered on here after he had a go at the ref after the Barca match last season. Loads of posters, including Kowalski, giving it large about how Pellegrini had lost it and needed to show more composure etc.

He really can't win and I don't know why certain posters bother to continue just criticising for the sake of it. It's almost as if they're afraid we'll forget that they never really rated him.


I find it amusing that all the footballing coaches on here who know better than our manager arn't making £ms doing it professionally. I wonder why that is?
 
Mister Appointment said:
Cheesy said:
Simple question... who has improved since Pellers took over?

Nasri, Silva, Aguero, Clichy, Toure, Dzeko, Kolarov, etc.


Wouldn't say Clichy has got any better-he had his best season under the former manager in the title winning season and I'm talking defensively not offensively , who has got better THIS season?


On the flip side who has got worse?


The whole back five for starters.
 
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