flb said:tolmie's hairdoo said:Goals win games, simple as.
We have created more chances than any other team in the league.
Nobody remembers the goals Arsenal and Spurs have scored at our end, in the last 12 months, because we have hit them for five or six.
Hull came for a point, they simply became more emboldened the longer it went without us getting through, and then had the gift which is our defence keeps on giving.
Same goes for Boro.
There was no hangover in the last 12 months with Mancini. It's a false narrative.
Aguero and the rest stopped doing what they are paid to do (fitness issues defo play their part). United won the title back that season thanks to Van Persie shitting goals for the first six months of the season.
They were also conceding goals for fun at places such as Southampton and Reading, yet they still won thanks to getting more at the other end.
The deficiencies in our defence are no worse than previous. They are simply highlighted more because we can't take the chances we create.
The goals drop off between Yaya and the absence of Negredo is enough to legislate for our current position, nothing more.
Every loss this season has had the same pattern.
The big trouble is we don't have the ability to nick a game by the odd goal because the defence is all over the show, if you cant score goals make sure you don't concede, as much as goals win you titles when the going gets tough in front of goal then give yourself a chance at the other end.
Its a knack that Manuel could do with learning.
Pablo ZZZ Peroni said:flb said:tolmie's hairdoo said:Goals win games, simple as.
We have created more chances than any other team in the league.
Nobody remembers the goals Arsenal and Spurs have scored at our end, in the last 12 months, because we have hit them for five or six.
Hull came for a point, they simply became more emboldened the longer it went without us getting through, and then had the gift which is our defence keeps on giving.
Same goes for Boro.
There was no hangover in the last 12 months with Mancini. It's a false narrative.
Aguero and the rest stopped doing what they are paid to do (fitness issues defo play their part). United won the title back that season thanks to Van Persie shitting goals for the first six months of the season.
They were also conceding goals for fun at places such as Southampton and Reading, yet they still won thanks to getting more at the other end.
The deficiencies in our defence are no worse than previous. They are simply highlighted more because we can't take the chances we create.
The goals drop off between Yaya and the absence of Negredo is enough to legislate for our current position, nothing more.
Every loss this season has had the same pattern.
The big trouble is we don't have the ability to nick a game by the odd goal because the defence is all over the show, if you cant score goals make sure you don't concede, as much as goals win you titles when the going gets tough in front of goal then give yourself a chance at the other end.
Its a knack that Manuel could do with learning.
I agree with Tolmie.
We are conceeding at the same rate as last season - broadly 1 goal per game. We are clearly not scoring as many.
The underlying stats are remarkably similiar:
Attempts 2013/2014 - 17.7 per game
Attempts 2014/2015 - 17.1 per game (higher than anyone else in the League)
Attempts against 2013/14 - 9.4 per game ( best in the league)
Attempts against 2014/2015 -10.00 per game ( 2nd to Southampton )
jollylescott said:Pablo ZZZ Peroni said:flb said:The big trouble is we don't have the ability to nick a game by the odd goal because the defence is all over the show, if you cant score goals make sure you don't concede, as much as goals win you titles when the going gets tough in front of goal then give yourself a chance at the other end.
Its a knack that Manuel could do with learning.
I agree with Tolmie.
We are conceeding at the same rate as last season - broadly 1 goal per game. We are clearly not scoring as many.
The underlying stats are remarkably similiar:
Attempts 2013/2014 - 17.7 per game
Attempts 2014/2015 - 17.1 per game (higher than anyone else in the League)
Attempts against 2013/14 - 9.4 per game ( best in the league)
Attempts against 2014/2015 -10.00 per game ( 2nd to Southampton )
In addition we haven't had a single goal from Nasri and Navas in the league this season. I recall both of them scoring a few last season, so their lack of productivity has also contributed to the drop off. Our good run this season was when Sergio was knocking them in like he was shelling peas. We are going to need him back in that sort of form if we have any chance of threatening in the run in.
On the defence I take the point that one of the games of last season was when we knocked off Arsenal 6-3. No one gave a moments thought to conceding 3, all the talk was about scoring a magnificent 6.
C-E-L-FBlue said:jollylescott said:Pablo ZZZ Peroni said:I agree with Tolmie.
We are conceeding at the same rate as last season - broadly 1 goal per game. We are clearly not scoring as many.
The underlying stats are remarkably similiar:
Attempts 2013/2014 - 17.7 per game
Attempts 2014/2015 - 17.1 per game (higher than anyone else in the League)
Attempts against 2013/14 - 9.4 per game ( best in the league)
Attempts against 2014/2015 -10.00 per game ( 2nd to Southampton )
In addition we haven't had a single goal from Nasri and Navas in the league this season. I recall both of them scoring a few last season, so their lack of productivity has also contributed to the drop off. Our good run this season was when Sergio was knocking them in like he was shelling peas. We are going to need him back in that sort of form if we have any chance of threatening in the run in.
On the defence I take the point that one of the games of last season was when we knocked off Arsenal 6-3. No one gave a moments thought to conceding 3, all the talk was about scoring a magnificent 6.
...and we were lucky not to concede 2 or 3 more in that Arsenal game as well
jollylescott said:Pablo ZZZ Peroni said:flb said:The big trouble is we don't have the ability to nick a game by the odd goal because the defence is all over the show, if you cant score goals make sure you don't concede, as much as goals win you titles when the going gets tough in front of goal then give yourself a chance at the other end.
Its a knack that Manuel could do with learning.
I agree with Tolmie.
We are conceeding at the same rate as last season - broadly 1 goal per game. We are clearly not scoring as many.
The underlying stats are remarkably similiar:
Attempts 2013/2014 - 17.7 per game
Attempts 2014/2015 - 17.1 per game (higher than anyone else in the League)
Attempts against 2013/14 - 9.4 per game ( best in the league)
Attempts against 2014/2015 -10.00 per game ( 2nd to Southampton )
In addition we haven't had a single goal from Nasri and Navas in the league this season. I recall both of them scoring a few last season, so their lack of productivity has also contributed to the drop off. Our good run this season was when Sergio was knocking them in like he was shelling peas. We are going to need him back in that sort of form if we have any chance of threatening in the run in.
On the defence I take the point that one of the games of last season was when we knocked off Arsenal 6-3. No one gave a moments thought to conceding 3, all the talk was about scoring a magnificent 6.
The fact that the biggest wum on this forum is a moderator says quite a lot about it's current state.de niro said:Mister Appointment said:de niro said:Except that he can't.
Again, you don't do the things Pellegrini has done if you can't set a team up to defend properly. You and one or two others mistake being a negative/pragmatic manager who plays safety first football whenever the opposition get a bit scary with being a good defensive coach. Allardicie or Pulis are the guys for you!
both fat sam and club shop tony would win the league with our squad. even moyes would.
tolmie's hairdoo said:jollylescott said:Pablo ZZZ Peroni said:I agree with Tolmie.
We are conceeding at the same rate as last season - broadly 1 goal per game. We are clearly not scoring as many.
The underlying stats are remarkably similiar:
Attempts 2013/2014 - 17.7 per game
Attempts 2014/2015 - 17.1 per game (higher than anyone else in the League)
Attempts against 2013/14 - 9.4 per game ( best in the league)
Attempts against 2014/2015 -10.00 per game ( 2nd to Southampton )
In addition we haven't had a single goal from Nasri and Navas in the league this season. I recall both of them scoring a few last season, so their lack of productivity has also contributed to the drop off. Our good run this season was when Sergio was knocking them in like he was shelling peas. We are going to need him back in that sort of form if we have any chance of threatening in the run in.
On the defence I take the point that one of the games of last season was when we knocked off Arsenal 6-3. No one gave a moments thought to conceding 3, all the talk was about scoring a magnificent 6.
Case in point, bud, Nasri.
His only goal is the crucial opener against Roma, which changes the whole mindset of the team.
It's such fine margins. Stoke, Boro, Hull, West Ham, all lethargic displays but still with enough opportunities to have put a different slant on the outcome.
Mancini's team, same goes for Sunderland (thrice) and Everton (twice) - all possession, two or three chances spurned, lost it by an odd goal.
I will argue against myself here and say that although we are getting into goalscoring positions this season, they are not what you can define as clear cut.
Which requires the attack to be sharper than normal.
tolmie's hairdoo said:Goals win games, simple as.
We have created more chances than any other team in the league.
Nobody remembers the goals Arsenal and Spurs have scored at our end, in the last 12 months, because we have hit them for five or six.
Hull came for a point, they simply became more emboldened the longer it went without us getting through, and then had the gift which is our defence keeps on giving.
Same goes for Boro.
There was no hangover in the last 12 months with Mancini. It's a false narrative.
Aguero and the rest stopped doing what they are paid to do (fitness issues defo play their part). United won the title back that season thanks to Van Persie shitting goals for the first six months of the season.
They were also conceding goals for fun at places such as Southampton and Reading, yet they still won thanks to getting more at the other end.
The deficiencies in our defence are no worse than previous. They are simply highlighted more because we can't take the chances we create.
The goals drop off between Yaya and the absence of Negredo is enough to legislate for our current position, nothing more.
Every loss this season has had the same pattern.
supercity88 said:tolmie's hairdoo said:jollylescott said:In addition we haven't had a single goal from Nasri and Navas in the league this season. I recall both of them scoring a few last season, so their lack of productivity has also contributed to the drop off. Our good run this season was when Sergio was knocking them in like he was shelling peas. We are going to need him back in that sort of form if we have any chance of threatening in the run in.
On the defence I take the point that one of the games of last season was when we knocked off Arsenal 6-3. No one gave a moments thought to conceding 3, all the talk was about scoring a magnificent 6.
Case in point, bud, Nasri.
His only goal is the crucial opener against Roma, which changes the whole mindset of the team.
It's such fine margins. Stoke, Boro, Hull, West Ham, all lethargic displays but still with enough opportunities to have put a different slant on the outcome.
Mancini's team, same goes for Sunderland (thrice) and Everton (twice) - all possession, two or three chances spurned, lost it by an odd goal.
I will argue against myself here and say that although we are getting into goalscoring positions this season, they are not what you can define as clear cut.
Which requires the attack to be sharper than normal.
I suppose it does depend on what defines a goal scoring opportunity.
We tend to dominate possession and control the game and we do have efforts on goal but often they are without real threat and more speculative because we like to carve teams open and often try to walk it in the net.
In terms of chances we concede - through controlling possession we don't tend to give away too many opportunities. What we do suffer from is leaving ourselves short at the back or making stupid mistakes and that leads to conceding goals. We could concede 2 shots per game but the way we are playing that will end up in the net.
Mister Appointment said:tolmie's hairdoo said:Goals win games, simple as.
We have created more chances than any other team in the league.
Nobody remembers the goals Arsenal and Spurs have scored at our end, in the last 12 months, because we have hit them for five or six.
Hull came for a point, they simply became more emboldened the longer it went without us getting through, and then had the gift which is our defence keeps on giving.
Same goes for Boro.
There was no hangover in the last 12 months with Mancini. It's a false narrative.
Aguero and the rest stopped doing what they are paid to do (fitness issues defo play their part). United won the title back that season thanks to Van Persie shitting goals for the first six months of the season.
They were also conceding goals for fun at places such as Southampton and Reading, yet they still won thanks to getting more at the other end.
The deficiencies in our defence are no worse than previous. They are simply highlighted more because we can't take the chances we create.
The goals drop off between Yaya and the absence of Negredo is enough to legislate for our current position, nothing more.
Every loss this season has had the same pattern.
Cracking post mate! Bang on.