Manuel Pellegrini

[Sky Blue]

Manuel is a dead-man walking.

4-4-2 was one of the reasons why Mancini was sacked/City underperformed, and will be the reason for Manuel's departure.

4-4-2 was the formation that won us the league and cup last season you wally

You are being polite there mate....

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Manuel is a dead-man walking.

4-4-2 was one of the reasons why Mancini was sacked/City underperformed, and will be the reason for Manuel's departure.

4-4-2 was the formation that won us the league and cup last season you wally

There's some right tits on here.

 

[uwe rosler 28]

He's no dead man walking but he needs to be more flexible in his thought's towards team selection and formation/tactics for certain games kidd should be giving him plenty of advice and if he is manuel is being very stubborn to early to call his signings but that said have any been a real success? Only demi for me! And he struggled at the start.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Quite how a team which played with 11 men behind the ball for nearly two hours worth of football in Manchester, and didn't manage to take maximum points from either, look ruthless and formidable is beyond me.

Really the Chelsea love in is driving me insane. Had that been City playing United yesterday the score 60 minutes into the match would've been 4 - 0 minimum to us. Such was the paucity of United's defensive control over the game. Instead, Mourinho sticks Obi Mikel on with half an hour to go after scoring from a set piece, cedes control, and loses two points in the process. Hell if United had scored a little earlier they would probably have won it, such was Chelsea's lack of control in those closing 15 minutes.

And yet Mourinho is a genius and I'm having to read ill informed hatchet jobs about Pellegrini is too stubborn and doesn't know what he's doing.

Genius ;) 1-0 up against 10 men? Park the bus, invite them on, drop two points. 1-0 up against a mid table side with no defence? Park the bus.....

Bingo.

Another thing which struck me watching Moo's negative anti football masterclass. People say that being 'pragmatic' gives you more control over matches. I don't see how sitting back and inviting wave after wave of attack gives you control over a match, and it certainly requires far more luck than utilising your best attacking players to ensure you continue to score goals as the game progresses.

I heard something not sure if bitter rat boy Neville said it or someone else "Mourinho doesn't see the point in scoring a second goal because he's won the game once so he doesn't need to try and win it again." What kind of head up your arse backwards logic is that? And what kind of a cult of personality exists around Mourinho that comments like this are not laughed out of town for the nonsense they are.

I think Mourinho's trophy winning record speaks for itself, and in case it had escaped your notice, they sit six points clear at the top with arguably two of their most difficult away games out of the way. You ask me whose team I would prefer to watch, I'd say Pellegrini, you ask me who is the more consistently effective manager, I'd say Mourinho.

 

[BillyShears]

You ask me whose team I would prefer to watch, I'd say Pellegrini, you ask me who is the more consistently effective manager, I'd say Mourinho.

It's simple. I'd rather lose playing the way we play than win playing the way Mourinho does.

If you want to make a case for his two points in Manchester being good ones, be my guest. You won't be alone. However I stand by what I posted. From the positions they were in both points were poor and both ended up a point because of Mourinho's negative mindset as much as anything else.

 

[Ray78]

If you want City to win at all cost then Mourinho is the manager for you.

 

[TGR]

Genius ;) 1-0 up against 10 men? Park the bus, invite them on, drop two points. 1-0 up against a mid table side with no defence? Park the bus.....

Bingo.

Another thing which struck me watching Moo's negative anti football masterclass. People say that being 'pragmatic' gives you more control over matches. I don't see how sitting back and inviting wave after wave of attack gives you control over a match, and it certainly requires far more luck than utilising your best attacking players to ensure you continue to score goals as the game progresses.

I heard something not sure if bitter rat boy Neville said it or someone else "Mourinho doesn't see the point in scoring a second goal because he's won the game once so he doesn't need to try and win it again." What kind of head up your arse backwards logic is that? And what kind of a cult of personality exists around Mourinho that comments like this are not laughed out of town for the nonsense they are.

I think Mourinho's trophy winning record speaks for itself, and in case it had escaped your notice, they sit six points clear at the top with arguably two of their most difficult away games out of the way. You ask me whose team I would prefer to watch, I'd say Pellegrini, you ask me who is the more consistently effective manager, I'd say Mourinho.

Jose is extremely pragmatic. He plays the percentages and knows when a draw away from home is a good result.
As you say his trophy count says it all. I don't like the bloke but he does know how to win trophies and the vast majority
of his playersboth present & past seem only to have good things to say about him.

 

[BlueAnorak]

442 is a crap fomation no matter who we are playing

It probably is with the personnel we have but it works if you have two forwards like Aguero & Negredo, who complement each other.

Playing Silva in front of Clichy is a recipe for disaster.

Agree on two counts but mainly that it's a complete waste of Silva's talent to have him cover an under-performing full-back. Milner would be better for that.

Navas should never be in the starting eleven.

Don't agree but it very much depends on the circumstances. I don't think West Ham was the right circumstances.

Playing Clichy is a recipe for disaster.

It is at the moment as he's all at sea defensively.

Play Aguero up front on his own with Silva behind him, Dzeko and Aguero simply does not work and why Pellers cannot see it is rather disturbing.

Have to largely agree with that (you could play either on their own in my opinion) but it can depend on what mood Dzeko's in as to how much it costs us.

Fernando and Yaya in midfield is equal to one and a half, we are always going to get overun and it is where the best teams are going to expolit us and also why any defensive clearance nearly always ends up with the opposition getting the ball back. We need a minimum of four grafters in midfield.

Fernando is supposed to protect the back four so you can't really put him in the same category as Yaya, who is more of a deep-lying attacking midfielder. In a 4-1-4-1, I'd see Yaya at the back of the midfield 4 whereas Fernando would be the player in front of the defensive unit.

Not sure about Mangala or Fernando just hope that they settle in to team sooner rather than later. Mangala for £32 mill looks slow in mind and ponderous in movement, I expected more from him than what I have seen - just hope he does not turn out to be a lemon.

Mangala had a stormer against Chelsea but a bit of a nightmare against Hull. He's young and new and has to get used to the way we play. Demichelis is much more experienced but he still needed half a season to find his feet. In addition, the full-back on his side of the pitch is leaving him exposed, as we saw on Saturday. Fernando also had a stormer at Newscastle then looked like a complete liability against Stoke. But we've seen things from both of them to have some confidence that they can deliver.

We need to be looking for two world class full backs for the start of next season.

We need to be looking for a decent left back, plus we need to start identifying a replacement for Zab and get him in within the next couple of seasons.

Pretty much agree.
The main problem at the moment though is that YaYa and Clichy are not defending well.
How Pellegrini deals with this over the next month or so will determine if we have a chance of winning the league.
It's not looking good as we are 3 games behind Chelsea. (2 Chelsea losses + GD) or (3 Chelsea Draws + GD) and they have to slip up without us slipping up on 3 separate occasions. At the weekend Chelsea slipped up but so did we (more so) so the gap increased by a point and the GD got worse by a goal.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Pretty much agree.
The main problem at the moment though is that YaYa and Clichy are not defending well.

Neither did our front men on Saturday,which left our midfield in all sorts of difficulties and hung them out to dry.The introduction of Jovetic was hugely positive and effective as regards support and link up.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Pretty much agree.
The main problem at the moment though is that YaYa and Clichy are not defending well.

Neither did our front men on Saturday,which left our midfield in all sorts of difficulties and hung them out to dry.The introduction of Jovetic was hugely positive and effective as regards support and link up.

For me Jovetic showed his perfect position for us on Saturday when he came on. More please Pellers.