Manuel Pellegrini

[uwe rosler 28]

All formations and players and tactics aside if the players play like they did v chelsea we win 9 out of every 10 prem games and prob 4/6 in europe its getting the players to give that performance week in week out if they do we only need the odd change of tactics to tackle hard prem/European games. I feel we sometimes take teams for granted thinking we only have to turn up to win!

 

[FantasyIreland]

All formations and players and tactics aside if the players play like they did v chelsea we win 9 out of every 10 prem games and prob 4/6 in europe its getting the players to give that performance week in week out if they do we only need the odd change of tactics to tackle hard prem/European games. I feel we sometimes take teams for granted thinking we only have to turn up to win!

I disagree,if a system is handicapping our play and not getting the best out of the eleven,then immediately we are at a disadvantage,frustration then creeps in,focus is lost and mistakes start to happen.
It just doesn't make sense to set up in such a way.

 

[uwe rosler 28]

All formations and players and tactics aside if the players play like they did v chelsea we win 9 out of every 10 prem games and prob 4/6 in europe its getting the players to give that performance week in week out if they do we only need the odd change of tactics to tackle hard prem/European games. I feel we sometimes take teams for granted thinking we only have to turn up to win!

I disagree,if a system is handicapping our play and not getting the best out of the eleven,then immediately we are at a disadvantage,frustration then creeps in,focus is lost and mistakes start to happen.
It just doesn't make sense to set up in such a way.

That's your opinion pal but I bet a lot of people seen that team v chelsea and thought that system isn't right but we were by far the better team as the players give it there all I agree in certain games formation/tactics need altering but playing as a team is the most important aspect if you look at our best games our players were at it virtually all game.

 

[capiloton]

Aguero & Dzeko partnership are not going to work. 4-2-2-2 are not working, with several players. we have seen this many times since last year. Dzeko blossom at the 2nd half last season due to another 3 forward is regularly out of injury, and he's playing great as a lone striker. unless Negredo is still here, Pelle should not implement 4-2-2-2 with Aguero in the lineups. 4-2-3-1 are more efficient with Silva or Nasri for number 10 role.

 

[FantasyIreland]

All formations and players and tactics aside if the players play like they did v chelsea we win 9 out of every 10 prem games and prob 4/6 in europe its getting the players to give that performance week in week out if they do we only need the odd change of tactics to tackle hard prem/European games. I feel we sometimes take teams for granted thinking we only have to turn up to win!

I disagree,if a system is handicapping our play and not getting the best out of the eleven,then immediately we are at a disadvantage,frustration then creeps in,focus is lost and mistakes start to happen.
It just doesn't make sense to set up in such a way.

That's your opinion pal but I bet a lot of people seen that team v chelsea and thought that system isn't right but we were by far the better team as the players give it there all I agree in certain games formation/tactics need altering but playing as a team is the most important aspect if you look at our best games our players were at it virtually all game.

While I cant agree we were 'by far better',that team also included Miner and Fernandinho supporting Yaya......much more solid than the midfield we put out on Saturday.

 

[moomba]

I wonder how many of Dzeko's goals during his excellent run home last season came with Aguero on the pitch. And vice versa.

 

[SilverFox2]

An interesting article in 'Huffington' today.

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[LoveCity]

An interesting article in 'Huffington' today.

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I don't see how Vieira would be an improvement on Pellegrini or Mancini. The "Guardiola at Barca" template is admirable but risky and I think it has a higher chance of failing than succeeding. For every Guardiola, there are many more failures. Real Madrid are currently trying with Zidane, and his Castilla team are near the bottom and he was just banned. And Pep had been coaching at a competitive level when Barcelona gave him the job, not a reserve league.

I'm sure they will consider Vieira as the successor, but I hope not. His work with the EDS has been very, very good but not exceptional in a way that it gives you total faith in him taking over. The EDS are fragile defensively for example as shown yesterday when they were massacred by a team who had a few older kids in (Pep's Barcelona B team had that situation every week and he won 66% of his games with a team of youngsters against Championship level senior opposition). He seems like a potential future manager, but a long way off, even if it means leaving the club to coach another club first.

I just hope the club doesn't become obsessed with being the nice guys and doing everything the 'organic' way. It will work in some instances, but sometimes you have to be more ruthless. If Pep Guardiola, the world's best coach in the past 5 years, is looking for work in 2016 and we bypass him for Vieira, I think that would be a terrible mistake. Especially as Champions League is the ambition and we would struggle to win the Europa League right now. OTOH, Vieira as the next manager's assistant would make a lot of sense. Do we want to be the very best in the world or a nice club content with regular success while always being in the shadow of Europe's elite? If it's the former, we should be on our hands and knees asking Guardiola to take over in 2016 when Pellegrini's contract is up.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

I disagree,if a system is handicapping our play and not getting the best out of the eleven,then immediately we are at a disadvantage,frustration then creeps in,focus is lost and mistakes start to happen.
It just doesn't make sense to set up in such a way.

That's your opinion pal but I bet a lot of people seen that team v chelsea and thought that system isn't right but we were by far the better team as the players give it there all I agree in certain games formation/tactics need altering but playing as a team is the most important aspect if you look at our best games our players were at it virtually all game.

While I cant agree we were 'by far better',that team also included Miner and Fernandinho supporting Yaya......much more solid than the midfield we put out on Saturday.

And that's the argument in a nutshell mate. He picked the right players to make the formation work against Chelsea - Milner and Fernandinho, full of running, to support Ya Ya and Spanish Dave - with Milner playing left side so Silva could cut in from the right and let the full backs get forward. Compare and contrast with West Ham, where the team selection could not have been more ill conceived to make 4-4-2 work, if he'd tried. If he goes with Navas and Fernando again on Sunday, we'll get torn a new one on the counter. Personally I'm hoping for the line up below, with City doing the arsehole tearing......

Hart
Zab, Vinnie, Mangler, Kola
Silva Ya Ya, Dinho, Milner
Jovetic
Aguero

 

[davelyncooper]

442 is a crap fomation no matter who we are playing

It probably is with the personnel we have but it works if you have two forwards like Aguero & Negredo, who complement each other.

Playing Silva in front of Clichy is a recipe for disaster.

Agree on two counts but mainly that it's a complete waste of Silva's talent to have him cover an under-performing full-back. Milner would be better for that.

Navas should never be in the starting eleven.

Don't agree but it very much depends on the circumstances. I don't think West Ham was the right circumstances.

Playing Clichy is a recipe for disaster.

It is at the moment as he's all at sea defensively.

Play Aguero up front on his own with Silva behind him, Dzeko and Aguero simply does not work and why Pellers cannot see it is rather disturbing.

Have to largely agree with that (you could play either on their own in my opinion) but it can depend on what mood Dzeko's in as to how much it costs us.

Fernando and Yaya in midfield is equal to one and a half, we are always going to get overun and it is where the best teams are going to expolit us and also why any defensive clearance nearly always ends up with the opposition getting the ball back. We need a minimum of four grafters in midfield.

Fernando is supposed to protect the back four so you can't really put him in the same category as Yaya, who is more of a deep-lying attacking midfielder. In a 4-1-4-1, I'd see Yaya at the back of the midfield 4 whereas Fernando would be the player in front of the defensive unit.

Not sure about Mangala or Fernando just hope that they settle in to team sooner rather than later. Mangala for £32 mill looks slow in mind and ponderous in movement, I expected more from him than what I have seen - just hope he does not turn out to be a lemon.

Mangala had a stormer against Chelsea but a bit of a nightmare against Hull. He's young and new and has to get used to the way we play. Demichelis is much more experienced but he still needed half a season to find his feet. In addition, the full-back on his side of the pitch is leaving him exposed, as we saw on Saturday. Fernando also had a stormer at Newscastle then looked like a complete liability against Stoke. But we've seen things from both of them to have some confidence that they can deliver.

We need to be looking for two world class full backs for the start of next season.

We need to be looking for a decent left back, plus we need to start identifying a replacement for Zab and get him in within the next couple of seasons.

At last a reasoned response to the points raised others please take note