Manuel Pellegrini

[Rammy Blue]

That's your opinion pal but I bet a lot of people seen that team v chelsea and thought that system isn't right but we were by far the better team as the players give it there all I agree in certain games formation/tactics need altering but playing as a team is the most important aspect if you look at our best games our players were at it virtually all game.

While I cant agree we were 'by far better',that team also included Miner and Fernandinho supporting Yaya......much more solid than the midfield we put out on Saturday.

And that's the argument in a nutshell mate. He picked the right players to make the formation work against Chelsea - Milner and Fernandinho, full of running, to support Ya Ya and Spanish Dave - with Milner playing left side so Silva could cut in from the right and let the full backs get forward. Compare and contrast with West Ham, where the team selection could not have been more ill conceived to make 4-4-2 work, if he'd tried. If he goes with Navas and Fernando again on Sunday, we'll get torn a new one on the counter. Personally I'm hoping for the line up below, with City doing the arsehole tearing......

Hart
Zab, Vinnie, Mangler, Kola
Silva Ya Ya, Dinho, Milner
Jovetic
Aguero

It's that team or Fernando instead of Milner if we set up with 3 centrally, I'd be happy with either.

 

[SilverFox2]

An interesting article in 'Huffington' today.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/steven-allweis/pep-guardiola-to-replace-manuel-pellegrini_b_6047036.html?utm_hp_ref=uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/steven- ... _hp_ref=uk</a>

I don't see how Vieira would be an improvement on Pellegrini or Mancini. The "Guardiola at Barca" template is admirable but risky and I think it has a higher chance of failing than succeeding. For every Guardiola, there are many more failures. Real Madrid are currently trying with Zidane, and his Castilla team are near the bottom and he was just banned. And Pep had been coaching at a competitive level when Barcelona gave him the job, not a reserve league.

I'm sure they will consider Vieira as the successor, but I hope not. His work with the EDS has been very, very good but not exceptional in a way that it gives you total faith in him taking over. The EDS are fragile defensively for example as shown yesterday when they were massacred by a team who had a few older kids in (Pep's Barcelona B team had that situation every week and he won 66% of his games with a team of youngsters against Championship level senior opposition). He seems like a potential future manager, but a long way off, even if it means leaving the club to coach another club first.

I just hope the club doesn't become obsessed with being the nice guys and doing everything the 'organic' way. It will work in some instances, but sometimes you have to be more ruthless. If Pep Guardiola, the world's best coach in the past 5 years, is looking for work in 2016 and we bypass him for Vieira, I think that would be a terrible mistake. Especially as Champions League is the ambition and we would struggle to win the Europa League right now. OTOH, Vieira as the next manager's assistant would make a lot of sense. Do we want to be the very best in the world or a nice club content with regular success while always being in the shadow of Europe's elite? If it's the former, we should be on our hands and knees asking Guardiola to take over in 2016 when Pellegrini's contract is up.

Certainly if ADUG want the trophies at the highest level then they will pay for the best players and manager that will eventually lift the top trophies.
However, I'm not certain that this is their objective.
As an investment company for Sheik M. they must first and foremost make as much money as possible which means that as long as they maximise the sponsorship money coming in on a global scale they have no need to chase trophies ''at all costs''.
As supporters of City we just want to win everything and see each star player that goes to another club as opportunity lost. So we have to hope that Sheik M. thinks like us and changes ADUG's objectives.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

An interesting article in 'Huffington' today.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/steven-allweis/pep-guardiola-to-replace-manuel-pellegrini_b_6047036.html?utm_hp_ref=uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/steven- ... _hp_ref=uk</a>

I don't see how Vieira would be an improvement on Pellegrini or Mancini. The "Guardiola at Barca" template is admirable but risky and I think it has a higher chance of failing than succeeding. For every Guardiola, there are many more failures. Real Madrid are currently trying with Zidane, and his Castilla team are near the bottom and he was just banned. And Pep had been coaching at a competitive level when Barcelona gave him the job, not a reserve league.

I'm sure they will consider Vieira as the successor, but I hope not. His work with the EDS has been very, very good but not exceptional in a way that it gives you total faith in him taking over. The EDS are fragile defensively for example as shown yesterday when they were massacred by a team who had a few older kids in (Pep's Barcelona B team had that situation every week and he won 66% of his games with a team of youngsters against Championship level senior opposition). He seems like a potential future manager, but a long way off, even if it means leaving the club to coach another club first.

I just hope the club doesn't become obsessed with being the nice guys and doing everything the 'organic' way. It will work in some instances, but sometimes you have to be more ruthless. If Pep Guardiola, the world's best coach in the past 5 years, is looking for work in 2016 and we bypass him for Vieira, I think that would be a terrible mistake. Especially as Champions League is the ambition and we would struggle to win the Europa League right now. OTOH, Vieira as the next manager's assistant would make a lot of sense. Do we want to be the very best in the world or a nice club content with regular success while always being in the shadow of Europe's elite? If it's the former, we should be on our hands and knees asking Guardiola to take over in 2016 when Pellegrini's contract is up.

Certainly if ADUG want the trophies at the highest level then they will pay for the best players and manager that will eventually lift the top trophies.
However, I'm not certain that this is their objective.
As an investment company for Sheik M. they must first and foremost make as much money as possible which means that as long as they maximise the sponsorship money coming in on a global scale they have no need to chase trophies ''at all costs''.
As supporters of City we just want to win everything and see each star player that goes to another club as opportunity lost. So we have to hope that Sheik M. thinks like us and changes ADUG's objectives.

why can't people make money and be successful? We've won 2 league titles in 3 years, Chelsea have won 3 in 10.

 

[SilverFox2]

I don't see how Vieira would be an improvement on Pellegrini or Mancini. The "Guardiola at Barca" template is admirable but risky and I think it has a higher chance of failing than succeeding. For every Guardiola, there are many more failures. Real Madrid are currently trying with Zidane, and his Castilla team are near the bottom and he was just banned. And Pep had been coaching at a competitive level when Barcelona gave him the job, not a reserve league.

I'm sure they will consider Vieira as the successor, but I hope not. His work with the EDS has been very, very good but not exceptional in a way that it gives you total faith in him taking over. The EDS are fragile defensively for example as shown yesterday when they were massacred by a team who had a few older kids in (Pep's Barcelona B team had that situation every week and he won 66% of his games with a team of youngsters against Championship level senior opposition). He seems like a potential future manager, but a long way off, even if it means leaving the club to coach another club first.

I just hope the club doesn't become obsessed with being the nice guys and doing everything the 'organic' way. It will work in some instances, but sometimes you have to be more ruthless. If Pep Guardiola, the world's best coach in the past 5 years, is looking for work in 2016 and we bypass him for Vieira, I think that would be a terrible mistake. Especially as Champions League is the ambition and we would struggle to win the Europa League right now. OTOH, Vieira as the next manager's assistant would make a lot of sense. Do we want to be the very best in the world or a nice club content with regular success while always being in the shadow of Europe's elite? If it's the former, we should be on our hands and knees asking Guardiola to take over in 2016 when Pellegrini's contract is up.

Certainly if ADUG want the trophies at the highest level then they will pay for the best players and manager that will eventually lift the top trophies.
However, I'm not certain that this is their objective.
As an investment company for Sheik M. they must first and foremost make as much money as possible which means that as long as they maximise the sponsorship money coming in on a global scale they have no need to chase trophies ''at all costs''.
As supporters of City we just want to win everything and see each star player that goes to another club as opportunity lost. So we have to hope that Sheik M. thinks like us and changes ADUG's objectives.

why can't people make money and be successful? We've won 2 league titles in 3 years, Chelsea have won 3 in 10.

I'm not saying that they cannot.
It is the ''at all costs'' bit that I tried to emphasise.
We invested heavily initially to get to the position you describe so this in turn is attracting the sponsorship and other income streams that make ADUG's investment perform.

My point is that their priority is to maximise the difference between income and expenditure. As with any company getting more sales (sponsorship etc.) and/or lower costs (new player investment) works.

There comes a point where extra player investment will not have a corresponding extra income stream reward.
I'm not saying players will not be bought and sold to maintain the teams current high position merely that to assume that we should continue to spend heavily to try to ensure CL or PL success may not be financially rewarding.

Each member of the ADUG Team (including MP) will be familiar with their part of the business plan that Sheik M. approved and no doubt his past achievements (re PL) have fitted snugly into the success that other members of the ADUG team have managed.

Again, I'm not saying that investment to date did not have an expectation better than our CL performances but I am not that certain that ADUG will authorise a massive investment to rectify the position.

 

[supercity88]

Certainly if ADUG want the trophies at the highest level then they will pay for the best players and manager that will eventually lift the top trophies.
However, I'm not certain that this is their objective.
As an investment company for Sheik M. they must first and foremost make as much money as possible which means that as long as they maximise the sponsorship money coming in on a global scale they have no need to chase trophies ''at all costs''.
As supporters of City we just want to win everything and see each star player that goes to another club as opportunity lost. So we have to hope that Sheik M. thinks like us and changes ADUG's objectives.

why can't people make money and be successful? We've won 2 league titles in 3 years, Chelsea have won 3 in 10.

I'm not saying that they cannot.
It is the ''at all costs'' bit that I tried to emphasise.
We invested heavily initially to get to the position you describe so this in turn is attracting the sponsorship and other income streams that make ADUG's investment perform.

My point is that their priority is to maximise the difference between income and expenditure. As with any company getting more sales (sponsorship etc.) and/or lower costs (new player investment) works.

There comes a point where extra player investment will not have a corresponding extra income stream reward.
I'm not saying players will not be bought and sold to maintain the teams current high position merely that to assume that we should continue to spend heavily to try to ensure CL or PL success may not be financially rewarding.

Each member of the ADUG Team (including MP) will be familiar with their part of the business plan that Sheik M. approved and no doubt his past achievements (re PL) have fitted snugly into the success that other members of the ADUG team have managed.

Again, I'm not saying that investment to date did not have an expectation better than our CL performances but I am not that certain that ADUG will authorise a massive investment to rectify the position.

I do think that the owners are struggling with the CL. Our performances need to improve for financial reasons without question. There are two benefits to performing well, tv revenue and tv exposure. It also helps attract the top players in the world and you are more likely to sell shirts with their name on if they play in big European games. The trouble is, lots of our fans haven't embraced the competition and attendances are suffering. Only when we start to put performances together will more people attend (if the prices are right).

This season it would be brilliant to make it through the group - that would be two seasons in a row and put to bed our poor reputation. This season odds seem more in our favour in terms of avoiding a top side in the knockouts. If we can get through the first knockout game and into the next round, that will attract more people and should help overcome some of the cynicism towards the CL. A game against a side like PSG who we could beat but would be competitive that could really kickstart things.

The benefit in having Pellegrini is he wont panic at our situation. Mancini had a bit of a complex over the CL having been sacked by Inter because of poor performances - he tried too hard to alter tactics and it cost us. Pellegrini will play the same way and tell the players they can still get through. If things go our way then we will be in 2nd facing a home tie against a qualified Bayern and the incentive will be there to beat them. It's definitely a club priority and no one can deny that.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

I didn't think he could possibly get the team selection tonight more wrong than he did on Saturday. Alas, I was wrong. The man's fucking mad. Who could have predicted a Silva injury? Yup, everyone......

 

[@BluePhil8]

I didn't think he could possibly get the team selection tonight more wrong than he did on Saturday. Alas, I was wrong. The man's fucking mad. Who could have predicted a Silva injury? Yup, everyone......

In a nutshell.

For a man with a massive squad he sure likes running the same 13 players in to the ground whilst Nastasic, Sinclair and the EDS boys sit on their arses collecting their pay cheque.

Surprised he didn't go with Agüero up top to complete the idiocy.

 

[Akai]

Our managers are cursed after winning the PL.

 

[Andouble]

what about that video that showed Pellegrini has Malaga manager with the chalkboard, going over all the different scenarios and formations? Why now do we stick to the same thing no matter the opposition? Infuriating.

 

[cookster]

Our managers are cursed after winning the PL.

4 4 fucking 2