Marc-Andre ter Stegen

[simon23]

We never question his desire and dedication to work on it. But the question is, will he be able to adapt and how long would it be? If Pep only stays for 3 years, are you ready to waste a year out of those 3 having Pep's playing system being compromised?

Firstly Pep may stay longer

Secondly, Its not just the goal keeper that is reposnsible for Peps system....its the defenders being comfortable on the ball as well.......big difference between having he likes of Stones (potentially) to pass to than say Mdm or Mangala or Kolorov...If i was heart it would put me in two minds whether to give any of those the ball close to the area.

No-one knows the answer whether he will improve or not...my argument is against the people saying he won't/isnt capable or that he should be replaced now...Im saying we can wait and should wait because there are other areas of the pitch that need more urgent attention.....fullback, central midfield and centre half all being more of a priority and will have equal affect on 'Peps system'

 

[simon23]

Why do you feel people who have a different view to you have to be following or buying into media BS? I for one have judged Hart on what I see.

cause they use the exact same language in what they type as what appears in the media thats why which is often inaccurate or just plainly wrong...

 

[Delphacito]

Compromised how? By having one of the worlds top 5 GOALKEEPERS in net.
Goalkeeper, keeper of the goal....someone to provent the ball entering the goal.
Far far to many people going over the top and pretending they're football analysers, he's a goalkeeper, he's there to prevent goals 1stly and most importantly, and he's in my opinion very good at that. Best one on one stopper in the world.

Did you even watch our game against Dortmund? I can guarantee you didn't watch if you still have no idea what I was talking about, and you certainly do not know how Pep's system works.

 

[simon23]

Well we will have to agree to disagree as I think we have been watching different keepers

fair enough

 

[lee_wsm]

Marc ter StegenVerified account‏@mterstegen1
Preparing for a long season!

read into that he is barca first choice

 

[Delphacito]

Firstly Pep may stay longer

Secondly, Its not just the goal keeper that is reposnsible for Peps system....its the defenders being comfortable on the ball as well.......big difference between having he likes of Stones (potentially) to pass to than say Mdm or Mangala or Kolorov...If i was heart it would put me in two minds whether to give any of those the ball close to the area.

No-one knows the answer whether he will improve or not...my argument is against the people saying he won't/isnt capable or that he should be replaced now...Im saying we can wait and should wait because there are other areas of the pitch that need more urgent attention.....fullback, central midfield and centre half all being more of a priority and will have equal affect on 'Peps system'

Pep 'may' stay longer. But let's not bank on that. We have to plan as if he's going to be here for only 3 years. You don't plan for the best case scenario, you plan for the worst case scenario.

We're going around in circles, I think he won't be able to adapt, you think he will be able to. Either way, what's the harm in getting Bravo or Ter Stegen to replace Caballero and give competition for Hart? If Hart can't adapt, we'll have a GK ready to go that fits the system. If Hart can adapt, he will keep being no.1. It's simple. If you're really convinced that Hart can adapt surely you won't have any worries about him being in a competition with Ter Stegen for the no.1?

 

[twoddlehopper]

Did you even watch our game against Dortmund? I can guarantee you didn't watch if you still have no idea what I was talking about, and you certainly do not know how Pep's system works.

Has Pep reinvented the game to the point where goalkeepers don't need to make saves, Defenders don't need to tackle and strikers ability to score is secondary to being able to pass the ball?
My point is, being good at your appointed job on the field is always going to be more important than how intricate the passing ability is. Is that a strange logic?

 

[simon23]

Pep 'may' stay longer. But let's not bank on that. We have to plan as if he's going to be here for only 3 years. You don't plan for the best case scenario, you plan for the worst case scenario.

We're going around in circles, I think he won't be able to adapt, you think he will be able to. Either way, what's the harm in getting Bravo or Ter Stegen to replace Caballero and give competition for Hart? If Hart can't adapt, we'll have a GK ready to go that fits the system. If Hart can adapt, he will keep being no.1. It's simple. If you're really convinced that Hart can adapt surely you won't have any worries about him being in a competition with Ter Stegen for the no.1?

No Im not going to right off a keeper who has served this club very well (how many golden gloves is it now - 3?) over the last few seasons, whereas you (by your own admission - "I think he won't be able to adapt" ) clearly are ready to right him off. Im saying he should get his chance to adapt and that (as with quite a few players may take time). I have no worries about competition from whoever. What I am worried about is us wasting money on a keeper when there are other areas of the starting 11 that need to be addressed as a much higher priority

I am very happy to get in a new number 2 as for me Caballero isn't good enough at anything to push Hart.

 

[twoddlehopper]

No Im not going to right off a keeper who has served this club very well (how many golden gloves is it now - 3?) over the last few seasons, whereas you (by your own admission - "I think he won't be able to adapt" ) clearly are ready to right him off. Im saying he should get his chance to adapt and that (as with quite a few players may take time). I have no worries about competition from whoever. What I am worried about is us wasting money on a keeper when there are other areas of the starting 11 that need to be addressed as a much higher priority

I am very happy to get in a new number 2 as for me Caballero isn't good enough at anything to push Hart.

4 golden gloves in the last 6 seasons and was one clean sheet off last season...with our terrible defence.

 

[mosssideblue]

cause they use the exact same language in what they type as what appears in the media thats why which is often inaccurate or just plainly wrong...

Mate. I fully admire your loyalty to Joe, but he has his flaws (as do all keepers) and you seem to be getting agitated about people highlighting those and then playing the they just follow the media BS card.

No, like you we watch Joe and see what we see. The fact we disagree isn't wrong and tbh (your stating that what they write is inaccurate or wrong is based on what - your opinion), I haven't seen many posters saying Joe shouldn't be given the opportunity. From what I have read on this thread, many are just stating that they think Joe will struggle adapting to Peps needs (again, simply opinions). The fact we are linked with so many keepers would appear to support this though, would you agree?

My personal view is that Joe needs much stiffer competition that he has had these last few seasons, and if we do end up bringing in a better keeper, surely that is a win win is it not?

 

[Delphacito]

Has Pep reinvented the game to the point where goalkeepers don't need to make saves, Defenders don't need to tackle and strikers ability to score is secondary to being able to pass the ball?
My point is, being good at your appointed job on the field is always going to be more important than how intricate the passing ability is. Is that a strange logic?

Your logic checks out....... if it's for any other managers. It doesn't check out with Pep. Pep needs his keeper to be able to pass. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

You are talking like Ter Stegen is an outfield player that is being put as a GK that can't make saves.

 

[Delphacito]

No Im not going to right off a keeper who has served this club very well (how many golden gloves is it now - 3?) over the last few seasons, whereas you (by your own admission - "I think he won't be able to adapt" ) clearly are ready to right him off. Im saying he should get his chance to adapt and that (as with quite a few players may take time). I have no worries about competition from whoever. What I am worried about is us wasting money on a keeper when there are other areas of the starting 11 that need to be addressed as a much higher priority

I am very happy to get in a new number 2 as for me Caballero isn't good enough at anything to push Hart.

So that settles in then. Joe needs competition. We get him the competition in Ter Stegen. If he's good enough, he'll prevail. If not, he'll be replaced. It's simple. Either way, the club wins as they will have a very capable GK that's suited to Pep's system.

 

[twoddlehopper]

Your logic checks out....... if it's for any other managers. It doesn't check out with Pep. Pep needs his keeper to be able to pass. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

You are talking like Ter Stegen is an outfield player that is being put as a GK that can't make saves.

But your talking like passing is the only part of a keepers ability that will work under Pep's plans.
Seriously think about it this way. For the last three seasons Pep has had, for many/most people, the best passer of the ball between the sticks in the world, the ultimate sweeper keeper, exactly what most on here would swap Jo for in a heart beat. How many champions leagues did having Neur's passing ability win him?

 

[BlueDeadHead]

Sentimental or not but i'd quite hapily go down to barca now and knee cap both there keepers if it means Joe staying... i'm adament he can adapt to the new system..Much rather have our England No.1 leadership and 'City blood' then anyone else.

More than Pep? Because that is what you are actually saying.

 

[Edwin Edwin]

With Rulli being as good as ours,the other keepers we've been linked with ie.Stegen,Bravo,Rui Patricio are all ability wise better than Hart...They bring more than being good on the ball..But Hart is more passionate and vocal esp in the tunnel.

 

[Delphacito]

But your talking like passing is the only part of a keepers ability that will work under Pep's plans.
Seriously think about it this way. For the last three seasons Pep has had, for many/most people, the best passer of the ball between the sticks in the world, the ultimate sweeper keeper, exactly what most on here would swap Jo for in a heart beat. How many champions leagues did having Neur's passing ability win him?

But you're talking as if Ter Stegen has no goalkeeping ability at all. Ter Stegen is a class goalkeeper on its own, even without the passing ability.

It's stupid to use the 'didn't win champions league' as an argument. But the fact is during the 3 years Pep's team dominated the Bundesliga, and went to the semi final all 3 years he was there, which is more than what City did (barring last year, which was the first time in history).

If you want to say that CL argument, Ter Stegen won the Champions League playing exactly as a sweeper keeper for Barca, whose team is still playing with Pep's philosophies. What are you going to say to that?

And the best GK with ball-playing skills is Ter Stegen, not Neuer. Neuer has better goalkeeping skills than Ter Stegen tho.

 

[domalino]

But you're talking as if Ter Stegen has no goalkeeping ability at all. Ter Stegen is a class goalkeeper on its own, even without the passing ability.

It's stupid to use the 'didn't win champions league' as an argument. But the fact is during the 3 years Pep's team dominated the Bundesliga, and went to the semi final all 3 years he was there, which is more than what City did (barring last year, which was the first time in history).

If you want to say that CL argument, Ter Stegen won the Champions League playing exactly as a sweeper keeper for Barca, whose team is still playing with Pep's philosophies. What are you going to say to that?

And the best GK with ball-playing skills is Ter Stegen, not Neuer. Neuer has better goalkeeping skills than Ter Stegen tho.

Don't bother with this guy. Multiple people have explained to him how important the goalkeeper is in building up from he back in Guardiolas teams and his response to me was "Joe can just use his hands and roll the ball out in build up".

He simply does not understand the idea of a goalkeeper passing around the back, and won't listen when people explain it.

You're smashing your head against a brick wall.

 

[twoddlehopper]

But you're talking as if Ter Stegen has no goalkeeping ability at all. Ter Stegen is a class goalkeeper on its own, even without the passing ability.

It's stupid to use the 'didn't win champions league' as an argument. But the fact is during the 3 years Pep's team dominated the Bundesliga, and went to the semi final all 3 years he was there, which is more than what City did (barring last year, which was the first time in history).

If you want to say that CL argument, Ter Stegen won the Champions League playing exactly as a sweeper keeper for Barca, whose team is still playing with Pep's philosophies. What are you going to say to that?

And the best GK with ball-playing skills is Ter Stegen, not Neuer. Neuer has better goalkeeping skills than Ter Stegen tho.

Mate, that is all opioion based, as is my feelings on Jo. My point is that although we have now a very good manager with a great pedigree and record, please dont be under an illusion that he has mastered football...to play the pep way is to always win....he hasn't the key to football. The game is far to unpredictable, Leicester proved that last year by wining it. You can't 'money ball' football.
Ps I really wouldn't go around saying barca's success was down to the keeper, that little attacking midfielder they've got may have a lot to do with it you know.

 

[IWasHere]

But you're talking as if Ter Stegen has no goalkeeping ability at all. Ter Stegen is a class goalkeeper on its own, even without the passing ability.

It's stupid to use the 'didn't win champions league' as an argument. But the fact is during the 3 years Pep's team dominated the Bundesliga, and went to the semi final all 3 years he was there, which is more than what City did (barring last year, which was the first time in history).

If you want to say that CL argument, Ter Stegen won the Champions League playing exactly as a sweeper keeper for Barca, whose team is still playing with Pep's philosophies. What are you going to say to that?

And the best GK with ball-playing skills is Ter Stegen, not Neuer. Neuer has better goalkeeping skills than Ter Stegen tho.

 

[twoddlehopper]

Don't bother with this guy. Multiple people have explained to him how important the goalkeeper is in building up from he back in Guardiolas teams and his response to me was "Joe can just use his hands and roll the ball out in build up".

He simply does not understand the idea of a goalkeeper passing around the back, and won't listen when people explain it.

You're smashing your head against a brick wall.

You're a self entitled little prick ain't you. Can you show me where your opioion is more valid than mine? Show me why yours is the voice of reason and rashonal thought where I'm just a mindless brick wall to be talked at?
You've an opioion as I do, they differ, get over yourself.