Marc-Andre ter Stegen

[Delphacito]

I think he could do it. Alot of Ter-stegen & Bravo's success is down to Barcelona's system, CBs split, Busquets drops in, so either the opposition wingers close the CBs or stick to the right/left backs either way there is almost always someone in acres of space to pass in the direction of. What was Joe's options under Pellegrini? Hit it toward our left/right backs in the hope they win their aerial duel or pump it up to the midgets up top.

If it was that easy as you described it there'd be hundreds of ball-playing GKs around. So you think had Joe play in Barca, he'd be successfully helping them in recycling possession?

 

[i8rags]

Pep out!!!!

Joe hart has saved us so many times...
We're not Barca who dominate every game

Not Bayern who dominate every game

We're in England and will not have 70% possession.... Ludicrous

We often have 70% possession

 

[mosssideblue]

Pep out!!!!

Joe hart has saved us so many times...
We're not Barca who dominate every game

Not Bayern who dominate every game

We're in England and will not have 70% possession.... Ludicrous

Congratulations on being one of the first "Pep Outers" I personally thought we might play a game or two before seeing one of these.

Only on BM

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

We often have 70% possession

Actually, that's true. The problem is converting mere possession into genuine chances, which we often couldn't do last season. By the way, if "Pep Confidential" is anything to go by, he hates possession merely for possession's sake.

 

[01cravend]

If it was that easy as you described it there'd be hundreds of ball-playing GKs around. So you think had Joe play in Barca, he'd be successfully helping them in recycling possession?

No because there's not 100s of Barcelona's

Yeah if like ter-stegen he was signed to play in the cup games..Not loads of pressure to get it straight away, can learn the system.

Claudio Bravo kicking was 56% and 63% in his 2 seasons before moving to Barca, hardly Pirlo was he, now he has the best pass completion of any keeper in Europe. It's the system, as long as you have a decent first touch and can kick a football straight you could play in goal for Barca*. There is always someone to pass too in Barca's set-up, Joe hasn't had that luxury.

*Obviously have to be good at goalkeeping too.

 

[Delphacito]

No because there's not 100s of Barcelona's

Yeah if like ter-stegen he was signed to play in the cup games..Not loads of pressure to get it straight away, can learn the system.

Claudio Bravo kicking was 56% and 63% in his 2 seasons before moving to Barca, hardly Pirlo was he, now he has the best pass completion of any keeper in Europe. It's the system, as long as you have a decent first touch and can kick a football straight you could play in goal for Barca*. There is always someone to pass too in Barca's set-up, Joe hasn't had that luxury.

*Obviously have to be good at goalkeeping too.

So when Mangala couldn't pass the ball, it's our CM's fault too then by not making themselves available?

 

[01cravend]

So when Mangala couldn't pass the ball, it's our CM's fault too then by not making themselves available?

Mangala doesn't get the time on the ball a Barca keeper does

 

[bobmcfc]

Let's see how he does today

 

[domalino]

So when Mangala couldn't pass the ball, it's our CM's fault too then by not making themselves available?

Some people will literally say or think anything to avoid the fact that Hart is awful on the ball.

It's the fact he's not been asked to play, it's the centre backs. It's the system, it's the media, it's everything except Hart being awful on the ball.

 

[01cravend]

Some people will literally say or think anything to avoid the fact that Hart is awful on the ball.

It's the fact he's not been asked to play, it's the centre backs. It's the system, it's the media, it's everything except Hart being awful on the ball.

Explain how Hart is awful on the ball then?

 

[Goater=Legend]

That is the kind of distribution Pep is probably looking for. Can anyone honestly look at it, and say Hart is capable of the same? Even though i like Hart...i can't.

Now I'm not saying Joe can't do this you never know.. But watching that video I seen players actually moving around in space for him to pass to, which didn't happen under both former managers.

Also he's passed to a midfielder in the Centre just exactly like Joe did to Fernando but people still say it's joes fault for it.

 

[domalino]

Explain how Hart is awful on the ball then?

Because he's shite on the ball. He has an awful first touch, he's hesitant, he can't see passes for ages and then he he panics as soon as there's any pressure on him, his accuracy of passing is poor, his selection of passing is poor.

He is simply bad with a football at his feet and everyone who isn't blinded by sentiment knows it. That's why there's been rumours of him being replaced since the day Guardiola was announced.

 

[Brendan110_0]

Because he's shite on the ball. He has an awful first touch, he's hesitant, he can't see passes for ages and then he he panics as soon as there's any pressure on him, his accuracy of passing is poor, his selection of passing is poor.

He is simply bad with a football at his feet and everyone who isn't blinded by sentiment knows it. That's why there's been rumours of him being replaced since the day Guardiola was announced.

If Pep can't work with Hart then we're in trouble, passing is the easiest part of football that all kids learn when they're 3. Most goals against us will come on the counter attack and Joe is excellent 1 v 1.

 

[domalino]

If Pep can't work with Hart then we're in trouble, passing is the easiest part of football that all kids learn when they're 3. Most goals against us will come on the counter attack and Joe is excellent 1 v 1.

No they wont. Pep's spent 3 years stopping counterattacks in Germany which is dominated by counter attacking football.

He doesn't care if Joe is great 1v1, he'll see it as a failure if the counterattack even gets to that stage.

 

[cornerflag]

If Pep can't work with Hart then we're in trouble, passing is the easiest part of football that all kids learn when they're 3.

If it was that easy the likes of Zieler, Baumann, Fährmann, Weidenfeller even Trapp would have learned it by now , because it's clearly the reason why Stegen is on the national team over them. From a certain age on it isn't that easy to learn, and in addition a keeper is under much more pressure than a midfielder, because if he loses the ball because of poor passing at the back, with any decent forward in the opposition team it's almost certainly a goal.

 

[cornerflag]

No they wont. Pep's spent 3 years stopping counterattacks in Germany which is dominated by counter attacking football.

He doesn't care if Joe is great 1v1, he'll see it as a failure if the counterattack even gets to that stage.

Tbf Bayern got caught in counter attacks quite a lot, and would have conceded a lot more if not for Neuer's sweeping and him being very good in 1v1.

http://www.bayerncentral.com/2015/02/burned-counterattacks/

 

[Delphacito]

If Pep can't work with Hart then we're in trouble, passing is the easiest part of football that all kids learn when they're 3. Most goals against us will come on the counter attack and Joe is excellent 1 v 1.

If your only hope of stopping a counter attack is a good 1v1 keeper, then you're shit out of luck mate. What Pep does it preventing the counter attack before it's happening, which is why he wants his players to press high and get the ball back as fast as possible, this requires the GK to get up and out of his box so we can constrict the size of the pitch.

 

[taleofbluehalves]

If Pep can't work with Hart then we're in trouble, passing is the easiest part of football that all kids learn when they're 3. Most goals against us will come on the counter attack and Joe is excellent 1 v 1.

We'll be far better prepared for counter attacks.

 

[Delphacito]

Mangala doesn't get the time on the ball a Barca keeper does

Barca keeper always gets pressed cause the opposition knows they're going to try to play from the back. This is exactly why we need to have a good sweeper keeper. If our keeper never gets pressed by the opposition, then we can just use Joe there, as he's an able passer if he doesn't get any pressure. But we know that's not true now is it, the truth is the keeper will get pressed and that's when Joe starts to play hot potato with the ball.

 

[Delphacito]

Some people will literally say or think anything to avoid the fact that Hart is awful on the ball.

It's the fact he's not been asked to play, it's the centre backs. It's the system, it's the media, it's everything except Hart being awful on the ball.

I thought since Pep already commented on this matter, people would be more accepting. Turns out not.