Marcus Rashford lobbying govt to help vulnerable children

[Two Gun Bob]

I disagree from brutal experience during the credit crunch. Sweden has a very generous system and people still fill the jobs.

Then we agree to disagree. I have no desire to fall out mate and am really sorry you fell on hard times. All I will reiterate is that our government under U.C provition provides the basics that are necessary to live. A married couples allowance and an allowance for each individual child, a housing allowance to pay your rent etc. The original argument is that they cannot feed their children a simple dinner time meal during school holidays. If you do not feed your child then it is of your own volition. No food for me or the wife first and then no payment to any saving rent and rates. Sell my house, sell my suite, sell my telly etc etc etc but never let my kids go hungry. Priorities whether we like them or not.

 

[WestGorton]

Then we agree to disagree. I have no desire to fall out mate and am really sorry you fell on hard times. All I will reiterate is that our government under U.C provition provides the basics that are necessary to live. A married couples allowance and an allowance for each individual child, a housing allowance to pay your rent etc. The original argument is that they cannot feed their children a simple dinner time meal during school holidays. If you do not feed your child then it is of your own volition. No food for me or the wife first and then no payment to any saving rent and rates. Sell my house, sell my suite, sell my telly etc etc etc but never let my kids go hungry. Priorities whether we like them or not.

You miss the salient point. Many kids don't have parents with the ability to even budget so why punish children. They didn't choose to be born. It's mean spirited and misguided. The world is not perfect. I am not perfect.

 

[Blue Hefner]

It took longer than I thought for the "He earns X amount, pay for it himself" brigade to make it to national newspapers

Can people not just accepct they are lucky and some are less fortunate? It's not that difficult

 

[Two Gun Bob]

According to the latest figures, there are 4.2m children in this country living in poverty and you’re seemingly arguing against the government providing them with free school meals. I guess we’ll never agree on this, but I find your lack of empathy a bit depressing tbh. The actual cost of feeding them is relatively minor when you look at some of the sums being frivolously spent by the government elsewhere. Agree though that the minimum wage should also be raised. That’s a given.

I find your ability to comprehend far more complexing tbh. I do not intend to come across as disingenuous toward the needy or yourself being our beloved leader, even though your intent is to call me out to forum as being unsympathetic. The fact of the matter is that the parents have already been paid money to feed their children and if they then choose not to do so is for themselves to scrutinise or examine. You mention that our government frivolously spends money like confetti on utter shite and of that, I can not digress. However that is a whole new tangent and no way correlated to the fact that the meals are already factorized in. If you want to convince me beyond reproach, then you mentioned a family with 5 children on universal credit. List the amount payable to that hypothetical family and then show me where the parent cannot afford to feed them a simple dinner time meal after paying out essentials. It's a safety net to feed cloth and keep folk warm until such time as they can find gainful employment. No one wants to see children go hungry but no one on this thread has mentioned such a wicked thing.

 

[Two Gun Bob]

You miss the salient point. Many kids don't have parents with the ability to even budget so why punish children. They didn't choose to be born. It's mean spirited and misguided. The world is not perfect. I am not perfect.

I cant disagree with that.

 

[WestGorton]

I cant disagree with that.

Fair do's

 

[Two Gun Bob]

I have said what I wanted to say and my wife has proof read my posts before insertion. I have no desire to discuss the issue further as I want to go on the music thread. All the best and take care:

 

[JRockBlues]

The good thing that I've noticed after the Mail story hit social media is that it has received total condemnation for the attempted negative portrayal of Rashford. This is a large step in stopping this kind of story and will hopefully make editors think twice before the next instance. A huge part in this has been played by Sterling in standing up to the media when it happened to him.

 

[domalino]

The good thing that I've noticed after the Mail story hit social media is that it has received total condemnation for the attempted negative portrayal of Rashford. This is a large step in stopping this kind of story and will hopefully make editors think twice before the next instance. A huge part in this has been played by Sterling in standing up to the media when it happened to him.

Yeah, it's slightly bittersweet to me. Jonathan Liew has just written a big article condemning the Mail.

I know that this is progress, I know it's because of Sterling taking them on and making this and issue, but there was never this outrage when he was the victim, and it does annoy me seeing people rush to get in their support for him in ASAP when they were silent on Sterling for years, and I haven't really seen any recognition that he's the one who has lead to this change in attitude that fortunately Rashford is benefitting from.

 

[JRockBlues]

Yeah, it's slightly bittersweet to me. Jonathan Liew has just written a big article condemning the Mail.

I know that this is progress, I know it's because of Sterling taking them on and making this and issue, but there was never this outrage when he was the victim, and it does annoy me seeing people rush to get in their support for him in ASAP when they were silent on Sterling for years, and I haven't really seen any recognition that he's the one who has lead to this change in attitude that fortunately Rashford is benefitting from.

Other than Rashford himself crediting Sterling as being a forerunner you mean?