Mard arse Robinho

It is not his tracking back which got me, but his inability to create any danger up front. Not entirley his fault, none of them created any danger worth talking about. It was an abysmal performance. In July I like many others were full of optimism of seeing an exciting team playing good football, I hoped the days were gone when we would turn out the awful type of games we saw under Pearce and in the secondhalf of the season under Sven. It cannot all be Hughes can it? They are top class players who couldn't pass to save their life, top class players who couldn't control the ball, letting it bounce of them to the oposition. Or is it Hughes and his staff who cannot motivate them? Was screaming at Hughes at half time to put Weiss on so that he could create some panic into their back four and thereby stop them roaming so far upfield it looked like they had twice as many players as us. What does he do put Petrov on who made no runs whatsoever down the wings, only played one decent ball into Adebayor (who fluffed it). Dreading going on Saturday, when by now this far into the season I should have been taking calming down pills, to stop me getting over excited. Papers are full of it taking the piss, same old City.
 
niall_mcfc said:
Your right mate Torres doesnt track back but do you know why that is? because hes a centre forward so hes stays up field and also because liverpool play 1 up front so if he tracks back and they clear the ball who is there to get it. Good arguement pal

Don't be a bell. The point is, you don't play him there if you want tracking back. He doesn't have to play as cover for the full back does he. Did you think at the start of last night you might be pleasantly surprised by his defensive qualities?
 
niall_mcfc said:
Failsworth_Blue said:
I agree that Messi and Ronaldo are better players than Robbie but they are similar sort of players in how they approach games, they're there to attack and aren't expected to chase after every single ball and track back at every oppurtunity however we for some strange reason are having a pop at Robinho because he doesn't give the same amount of work rate as Tevez, Bellamy etc but we've hardly been fantastic without Robinho and players putting in a shift so to speak have we so what does running about chasing lost causes actually achieve apart from getting a bit of luck once in a blue moon?

The reason why Barca can cope with Messi not tracking back is because they play as a team and cover for eachother but atm we arent playing as a team, and when robinho hasnt played this season we have played well and i have not said once this season that we have missed him. that is because we have better players than him now and we dont need someone in the team who isnt going to track back but he might just do something when we have tevez and bellamy who have the ability to score goals and create them and are willing to work for the team

With regards to the bit in bold - Surely thats the other players problem then because if other teams can work as a team then surely we can do without expecting a player to run around chasing everything when it's something he's not good at

We've played well without Robinho? In how many games? Half of our games we've won in the leauge this season have been when Robinho started and without him we've hardly been great despite having players out wide who track back and work harder than him. Tevez has played well recently but on the whole he's had a pretty average leauge campaign up to now and Bellamy has played well but again hasbeen pretty average in the leauge recently

The main issue i have with Robbies performance last night was his general attacking play because he's expected to do things with the ball because thats what he's best at and last night he was poor
 
Prodigal Son said:
niall_mcfc said:
Your right mate Torres doesnt track back but do you know why that is? because hes a centre forward so hes stays up field and also because liverpool play 1 up front so if he tracks back and they clear the ball who is there to get it. Good arguement pal

Don't be a bell. The point is, you don't play him there if you want tracking back. He doesn't have to play as cover for the full back does he. Did you think at the start of last night you might be pleasantly surprised by his defensive qualities?
Your the bell if you think robinhos a centre forward. He plays as a left midfielder or a left winger which requires you to track back and especially when your left back is struggling. Yes he isnt going to run back and produce a fantastic slide challenge but just his presence there and giving lennon another man to beat will force him backwards. Is that ok or am i still a bell for having a bit of knowledge about where players play.
 
Failsworth_Blue said:
niall_mcfc said:
The reason why Barca can cope with Messi not tracking back is because they play as a team and cover for eachother but atm we arent playing as a team, and when robinho hasnt played this season we have played well and i have not said once this season that we have missed him. that is because we have better players than him now and we dont need someone in the team who isnt going to track back but he might just do something when we have tevez and bellamy who have the ability to score goals and create them and are willing to work for the team

With regards to the bit in bold - Surely thats the other players problem then because if other teams can work as a team then surely we can do without expecting a player to run around chasing everything when it's something he's not good at

We've played well without Robinho? In how many games? Half of our games we've won in the leauge this season have been when Robinho started and without him we've hardly been great despite having players out wide who track back and work harder than him. Tevez has played well recently but on the whole he's had a pretty average leauge campaign up to now and Bellamy has played well but again hasbeen pretty average in the leauge recently

The main issue i have with Robbies performance last night was his general attacking play because he's expected to do things with the ball because thats what he's best at and last night he was poor
Tevez wasnt fit and since hes got back to full fitness hes been class and so has bellamy apart from maybe 1 or 2 games this season but robinho has done nothing at all this season.
 
niall_mcfc said:
Tevez wasnt fit and since hes got back to full fitness hes been class and so has bellamy apart from maybe 1 or 2 games this season but robinho has done nothing at all this season.

Neither has Ireland...where's his threads?
 
niall_mcfc said:
Your the bell if you think robinhos a centre forward. He plays as a left midfielder or a left winger

. Is that ok or am i still a bell for having a bit of knowledge about where players play.

No, you're still a 'bell' as you're clueless. Robinho's preferred position is in the hole behind the striker or up top, not farmed out on the left

We may be playing him there and the fact it isnt his position is showing. He drops inside and comes deep for the ball as that is how he plays

Your 'knowledge' is laughable
 
niall_mcfc said:
Failsworth_Blue said:
With regards to the bit in bold - Surely thats the other players problem then because if other teams can work as a team then surely we can do without expecting a player to run around chasing everything when it's something he's not good at

We've played well without Robinho? In how many games? Half of our games we've won in the leauge this season have been when Robinho started and without him we've hardly been great despite having players out wide who track back and work harder than him. Tevez has played well recently but on the whole he's had a pretty average leauge campaign up to now and Bellamy has played well but again hasbeen pretty average in the leauge recently

The main issue i have with Robbies performance last night was his general attacking play because he's expected to do things with the ball because thats what he's best at and last night he was poor
Tevez wasnt fit and since hes got back to full fitness hes been class and so has bellamy apart from maybe 1 or 2 games this season but robinho has done nothing at all this season.

So because Tevez wasn't fit then you'll let him off but you'll have a go at Robinho despite the fact this was only his 3rd game back after being injured for 10 weeks? Bit strange that one.

Bellamy was average against Fulham, Burnley, Birmingham, Liverpool and Bolton so he's also had his fair share of average games but apart from that i agree he's done well but lets not get carried away and say he's been great in every game when he clearly hasn't
 
niall_mcfc said:
Your the bell if you think robinhos a centre forward. He plays as a left midfielder or a left winger which requires you to track back and especially when your left back is struggling. Yes he isnt going to run back and produce a fantastic slide challenge but just his presence there and giving lennon another man to beat will force him backwards. Is that ok or am i still a bell for having a bit of knowledge about where players play.

I'm fairly sure Brazil don't worry about him tracking back. But I bow to your superior knowledge.
 

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