Martin Demichelis

[zabadabadoo1985]

There has to be a touch of balance in respect of MDM. Clearly he was short term stop gap since Real wouldn't sell us Pepe and Mangala won't be coming until the summer. He hasn't been great by any stretch of the imagination but some of the bile on here against, less we forget, a guy playing for our club is ridiculous.

In respect of the 53 minutes on the pitch against Barca, distribution aside, he was tactically and technically perfect, making over 15 key interceptions. From a tactical point of view, especially against Barca, MDM and VK were the perfect combination. The plan was to try and press Barca at the right times and MDM was key to this as evidenced by the number of crucial interceptions he made. This was not a fluke/accident! Additionally, if he missed any of these interceptions (which he didn't), we had our best central defender, VK, acting as a protective sweeper. This combination is not too dissimilar to the way Ferdinand and Vidic played in their pomp. Without MDM, VK would have had to taken the primary role of interceptor, for this particular game, with Lescott sweeping behind, which just wouldn't work. Lescott is not adept enough from a football ability to do the interceptor role against a team like Barca especially as distribution needs to be quick and accurate on interception. Moreover, we all know VK has a tendency to rush in when taking on this role as evidenced by his sendings off against United in the 2012 FA Cup and in the Arsenal away game last year. Subsequently, with such a fussy referee in charge of the Barca game, this would have been an extremely high risk.

Finally, what no one seems to have mention is that there were three more culpable people in the run up to the sending off. Firstly, Navas, for assuming the ref would blow for barely a touch. Two, Zabba actually stopped, thinking we would get a free kick, leaving him on his heels and giving Iniesta an extra moment to decide what to do. Andres Iniesta really doesn't need such a gift! Finally, Vinnie was too slow in stepping up. Maybe he got spooked because it was Messi, but if he had the courage of his convictions Messi would have been offside and MDM wouldn't have made the challenge. Anyway coulda woulda shoulda.

To conclude, yes he has made mistakes, but tell me which of our defenders haven't. But to dismantle him as a player when the press are already doing that is a discredit to the manager who brought him in and real isn't very productive. And let's face it for a guy coming into the premier league cold, hasn't done a bad job thus far. The fact that most of us are almost bankrupt due to the number of games we have played by being in all four competitions is a testament to that. I could say a lot more about MP on here, the majority of which is positive, but that is for the MP thread.

 

[the originalkippaxman]

There has to be a touch of balance in respect of MDM. Clearly he was short term stop gap since Real wouldn't sell us Pepe and Mangala won't be coming until the summer. He hasn't been great by any stretch of the imagination but some of the bile on here against, less we forget, a guy playing for our club is ridiculous.

In respect of the 53 minutes on the pitch against Barca, distribution aside, he was tactically and technically perfect, making over 15 key interceptions. From a tactical point of view, especially against Barca, MDM and VK were the perfect combination. The plan was to try and press Barca at the right times and MDM was key to this as evidenced by the number of crucial interceptions he made. This was not a fluke/accident! Additionally, if he missed any of these interceptions (which he didn't), we had our best central defender, VK, acting as a protective sweeper. This combination is not too dissimilar to the way Ferdinand and Vidic played in their pomp. Without MDM, VK would have had to taken the primary role of interceptor, for this particular game, with Lescott sweeping behind, which just wouldn't work. Lescott is not adept enough from a football ability to do the interceptor role against a team like Barca especially as distribution needs to be quick and accurate on interception. Moreover, we all know VK has a tendency to rush in when taking on this role as evidenced by his sendings off against United in the 2012 FA Cup and in the Arsenal away game last year. Subsequently, with such a fussy referee in charge of the Barca game, this would have been an extremely high risk.

Finally, what no one seems to have mention is that there were three more culpable people in the run up to the sending off. Firstly, Navas, for assuming the ref would blow for barely a touch. Two, Zabba actually stopped, thinking we would get a free kick, leaving him on his heels and giving Iniesta an extra moment to decide what to do. Andres Iniesta really doesn't need such a gift! Finally, Vinnie was too slow in stepping up. Maybe he got spooked because it was Messi, but if he had the courage of his convictions Messi would have been offside and MDM wouldn't have made the challenge. Anyway coulda woulda shoulda.

To conclude, yes he has made mistakes, but tell me which of our defenders haven't. But to dismantle him as a player when the press are already doing that is a discredit to the manager who brought him in and real isn't very productive. And let's face it for a guy coming into the premier league cold, hasn't done a bad job thus far. The fact that most of us are almost bankrupt due to the number of games we have played by being in all four competitions is a testament to that. I could say a lot more about MP on here, the majority of which is positive, but that is for the MP thread.

Mods can you ban this member for speaking far too much sense.

Very good well balance post though the MDM haters will now vilify you as an out and out Tw*t

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

There has to be a touch of balance in respect of MDM. Clearly he was short term stop gap since Real wouldn't sell us Pepe and Mangala won't be coming until the summer. He hasn't been great by any stretch of the imagination but some of the bile on here against, less we forget, a guy playing for our club is ridiculous.

In respect of the 53 minutes on the pitch against Barca, distribution aside, he was tactically and technically perfect, making over 15 key interceptions. From a tactical point of view, especially against Barca, MDM and VK were the perfect combination. The plan was to try and press Barca at the right times and MDM was key to this as evidenced by the number of crucial interceptions he made. This was not a fluke/accident! Additionally, if he missed any of these interceptions (which he didn't), we had our best central defender, VK, acting as a protective sweeper. This combination is not too dissimilar to the way Ferdinand and Vidic played in their pomp. Without MDM, VK would have had to taken the primary role of interceptor, for this particular game, with Lescott sweeping behind, which just wouldn't work. Lescott is not adept enough from a football ability to do the interceptor role against a team like Barca especially as distribution needs to be quick and accurate on interception. Moreover, we all know VK has a tendency to rush in when taking on this role as evidenced by his sendings off against United in the 2012 FA Cup and in the Arsenal away game last year. Subsequently, with such a fussy referee in charge of the Barca game, this would have been an extremely high risk.

Finally, what no one seems to have mention is that there were three more culpable people in the run up to the sending off. Firstly, Navas, for assuming the ref would blow for barely a touch. Two, Zabba actually stopped, thinking we would get a free kick, leaving him on his heels and giving Iniesta an extra moment to decide what to do. Andres Iniesta really doesn't need such a gift! Finally, Vinnie was too slow in stepping up. Maybe he got spooked because it was Messi, but if he had the courage of his convictions Messi would have been offside and MDM wouldn't have made the challenge. Anyway coulda woulda shoulda.

To conclude, yes he has made mistakes, but tell me which of our defenders haven't. But to dismantle him as a player when the press are already doing that is a discredit to the manager who brought him in and real isn't very productive. And let's face it for a guy coming into the premier league cold, hasn't done a bad job thus far. The fact that most of us are almost bankrupt due to the number of games we have played by being in all four competitions is a testament to that. I could say a lot more about MP on here, the majority of which is positive, but that is for the MP thread.

This post has really pointed out to me that I should drink less when watching the football

 

[steviemc]

Course ive proof.seen every game of his since sep thats proof enough to know the guys a liabilty.he aint good enough comprende! As for breaking the bank money talks.

-- Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:25 pm --


Course ive proof.seen every game of his since sep thats proof enough to know the guys a liabilty.he aint good enough comprende! As for breaking the bank money talks.

Unfortunately it isn't proof that is just your opinion. You stated you had facts but actually you don't you just have a point of view.
Facts are when you can add something to a debate and show the evidence at hand that he is a liability. What is a fact is that you have nothing but your opinion which means nothing. For all I know you could say that Lescott is by far a better defender. Then in my opinion I would say you are fucking clueless and your previous post is void.
However I don't have facts to prove that you are fucking clueless. I shall just leave this for you to keep posting and prove this yourself.

im afraid seeing every game hes played since september are enough proof and facts to know he just aint good enough.have you seen every game.i doubt it you clueless prick.

These are opinions, there's not necessarily a right answer. It would be better if you use your time off from half-term to post something of significance. Oh, and people don't use 'comprende' after sentences nowadays. You'll get marked down for that.

 

[Thenumber1blue]

Unfortunately it isn't proof that is just your opinion. You stated you had facts but actually you don't you just have a point of view.
Facts are when you can add something to a debate and show the evidence at hand that he is a liability. What is a fact is that you have nothing but your opinion which means nothing. For all I know you could say that Lescott is by far a better defender. Then in my opinion I would say you are fucking clueless and your previous post is void.
However I don't have facts to prove that you are fucking clueless. I shall just leave this for you to keep posting and prove this yourself.

im afraid seeing every game hes played since september are enough proof and facts to know he just aint good enough.have you seen every game.i doubt it you clueless prick.

These are opinions, there's not necessarily a right answer. It would be better if you use your time off from half-term to post something of significance. Oh, and people don't use 'comprende' after sentences nowadays. You'll get marked down for that.

Poor opinion too,he's a very good player and more than adequate cover whilst being streets ahead of hot potato Lescott.Some clueless blues always need that scapegoat and seemed to have moved on from Dzeko,Garcia and Kola.I'm afraid MDM is not that player.By the way ,he's right if you think Lescott is better,then you are fuckin absolutely clueless !

 

[teddykgb]

He's probably not a very good player and i'm not sure he's adequate cover, but the post above by zabadabbado is absolutely spot on in the assessment of what happened. I do truly believe we didn't adequately fill the position given our aspirations, but this is not MDM's fault and is probably as much a result of the injury/form issues Nastastic has had. At the time, MDM made sense as a reliable backup to the anticipated starting pair. In reality he's been pressed into action far too often.

Calling for Lescott simply because we won the league when he played is such a basic correlation error that it's almost embarassing.

 

[Deleted member 58678]

There has to be a touch of balance in respect of MDM. Clearly he was short term stop gap since Real wouldn't sell us Pepe and Mangala won't be coming until the summer. He hasn't been great by any stretch of the imagination but some of the bile on here against, less we forget, a guy playing for our club is ridiculous.

In respect of the 53 minutes on the pitch against Barca, distribution aside, he was tactically and technically perfect, making over 15 key interceptions. From a tactical point of view, especially against Barca, MDM and VK were the perfect combination. The plan was to try and press Barca at the right times and MDM was key to this as evidenced by the number of crucial interceptions he made. This was not a fluke/accident! Additionally, if he missed any of these interceptions (which he didn't), we had our best central defender, VK, acting as a protective sweeper. This combination is not too dissimilar to the way Ferdinand and Vidic played in their pomp. Without MDM, VK would have had to taken the primary role of interceptor, for this particular game, with Lescott sweeping behind, which just wouldn't work. Lescott is not adept enough from a football ability to do the interceptor role against a team like Barca especially as distribution needs to be quick and accurate on interception. Moreover, we all know VK has a tendency to rush in when taking on this role as evidenced by his sendings off against United in the 2012 FA Cup and in the Arsenal away game last year. Subsequently, with such a fussy referee in charge of the Barca game, this would have been an extremely high risk.

Finally, what no one seems to have mention is that there were three more culpable people in the run up to the sending off. Firstly, Navas, for assuming the ref would blow for barely a touch. Two, Zabba actually stopped, thinking we would get a free kick, leaving him on his heels and giving Iniesta an extra moment to decide what to do. Andres Iniesta really doesn't need such a gift! Finally, Vinnie was too slow in stepping up. Maybe he got spooked because it was Messi, but if he had the courage of his convictions Messi would have been offside and MDM wouldn't have made the challenge. Anyway coulda woulda shoulda.

To conclude, yes he has made mistakes, but tell me which of our defenders haven't. But to dismantle him as a player when the press are already doing that is a discredit to the manager who brought him in and real isn't very productive. And let's face it for a guy coming into the premier league cold, hasn't done a bad job thus far. The fact that most of us are almost bankrupt due to the number of games we have played by being in all four competitions is a testament to that. I could say a lot more about MP on here, the majority of which is positive, but that is for the MP thread.

Good post.

I also think Demichelis was doing wrong himself in the run up to the incident. He went wandering off aimlessly forward without any communication with Vincent (also something that was a mistake on Vincent's part as he didn't communicate with Demichelis neither). He got drawn into the man with the ball, then realised he was doing the wrong thing and started getting back.

Also Clichy was at fault as he was far too high up the pitch and he was the one who could see right along the line, he could see the whole thing, and yet he didn't communicate with anybody.

Also Joe Hart could see the whole thing, he didn't communicate with anybody neither.

Include Navas' - who I don't think was fouled - poor play and you've got SIX players who were doing something wrong in the run up to that incident. All were at fault.

It doesn't mean Demichelis should have brought Messi down. That was probably the last thing he should have done of all options available.

He was having a reasonable game up to then but his passing was abysmal throughout the game.

I think what gets on people's nerves is his previous. Sunderland away he cost us the defeat from a defensive point of view; he's been at fault for goals at Fulham, at home to Cardiff, chance of a winner for Norwich that they didn't take; has also been very poor in a few games.

It's the accumulation of mistakes and poor performances that lead people to dismantle players. It's harsh but people like to air frustrations so it's going to happen.

If we weren't aiming to be the best team in the world I don't think it would happen to the degree it does. But we are. And that makes people far more expectant and critical of players in what they bring to us.

 

[CatMan]

Good post.

I also think Demichelis was doing wrong himself in the run up to the incident. He went wandering off aimlessly forward without any communication with Vincent (also something that was a mistake on Vincent's part as he didn't communicate with Demichelis neither). He got drawn into the man with the ball, then realised he was doing the wrong thing and started getting back.

Also Clichy was at fault as he was far too high up the pitch and he was the one who could see right along the line, he could see the whole thing, and yet he didn't communicate with anybody.

Also Joe Hart could see the whole thing, he didn't communicate with anybody neither.

Include Navas' - who I don't think was fouled - poor play and you've got SIX players who were doing something wrong in the run up to that incident. All were at fault.

It doesn't mean Demichelis should have brought Messi down. That was probably the last thing he should have done of all options available.

He was having a reasonable game up to then but his passing was abysmal throughout the game.

I think what gets on people's nerves is his previous. Sunderland away he cost us the defeat from a defensive point of view; he's been at fault for goals at Fulham, at home to Cardiff, chance of a winner for Norwich that they didn't take; has also been very poor in a few games.

It's the accumulation of mistakes and poor performances that lead people to dismantle players. It's harsh but people like to air frustrations so it's going to happen.

If we weren't aiming to be the best team in the world I don't think it would happen to the degree it does. But we are. And that makes people far more expectant and critical of players in what they bring to us.

Oh my God, are you for real! Demichelis is a defender and that was a split second, natural and instinctive decision that made him react to challenge Messi, almost akin to pulling your hand away from a hot iron. It just happens, before your mind even realises.

Do you seriously believe, with his heart probably beating around 180 beats a minute and in the blink of an eye he can override natural reaction and not make that challenge?

If you do, and anyone else who does is utterly clueless about football.

 

[kupest]

If Pellegrini puts him in the XI so much imagine what would have happened if we hadn't signed him ! All this Lescott is better than most due to that Chelsea game is bullshit. He has fucked up all too many times as well. Regards to Demi's passing not going anywhere in the night, no one could keep themselves open. It works both ways and it was impossible to pass around the Barca team and that did us in.
Put Nastasic and Lescott and they would have been holding back till they went into the net.

 

[Deleted member 58678]

Good post.

I also think Demichelis was doing wrong himself in the run up to the incident. He went wandering off aimlessly forward without any communication with Vincent (also something that was a mistake on Vincent's part as he didn't communicate with Demichelis neither). He got drawn into the man with the ball, then realised he was doing the wrong thing and started getting back.

Also Clichy was at fault as he was far too high up the pitch and he was the one who could see right along the line, he could see the whole thing, and yet he didn't communicate with anybody.

Also Joe Hart could see the whole thing, he didn't communicate with anybody neither.

Include Navas' - who I don't think was fouled - poor play and you've got SIX players who were doing something wrong in the run up to that incident. All were at fault.

It doesn't mean Demichelis should have brought Messi down. That was probably the last thing he should have done of all options available.

He was having a reasonable game up to then but his passing was abysmal throughout the game.

I think what gets on people's nerves is his previous. Sunderland away he cost us the defeat from a defensive point of view; he's been at fault for goals at Fulham, at home to Cardiff, chance of a winner for Norwich that they didn't take; has also been very poor in a few games.

It's the accumulation of mistakes and poor performances that lead people to dismantle players. It's harsh but people like to air frustrations so it's going to happen.

If we weren't aiming to be the best team in the world I don't think it would happen to the degree it does. But we are. And that makes people far more expectant and critical of players in what they bring to us.

Oh my God, are you for real! Demichelis is a defender and that was a split second, natural and instinctive decision that made him react to challenge Messi, almost akin to pulling your hand away from a hot iron. It just happens, before your mind even realises.

Do you seriously believe, with his heart probably beating around 180 beats a minute and in the blink of an eye he can override natural reaction and not make that challenge?

If you do, and anyone else who does is utterly clueless about football.

Talk about overreact!

When you're behind someone when they're running through on goal, doesn't matter if it's a natural reaction made in a split second, the last thing you do is dive in and bring the man down.