I agree with much of what you say. MD seems to get stick for every goal we concede, and even got stick when we didn't concede against Norwich, for me he's done OK this season, he's made errors of course, but so have all the defenders.JoeMercer'sWay said:I'd go further and say that I think Vinnie has also perhaps started to believe that his defensive partners are the weak links and trying too hard to show how good he is and how he's number one and on occasion, like Borini on Sunday, trying to patrol the back line as if we play one centre back.
I think this has lead to Vinnie making more mistakes (Barca, Sunderland) but because he's Vinnie Demi gets the blame for it, despite the fact that I think Vinnie should be leaving Demi to his half of the backline and covering, which if he'd done that on sunday he'd have intercepted Borini cleanly.
I think Vinnie was poor on Sunday with that mistake and his passing which put us into trouble, I think Demi is being made to be the scapegoat because people are refusing to accept or understand the reasons why Lescott isn't in the team, because they don't dare to criticise Vinnie and partly because I think a few people still want a stick to even indirectly beat Ferran and Txiki with and not paying over the odds for a CB is now an excuse to do so.
All that aside I think even Vinnie is making too many individual mistakes for a world class CB, he needs to control that impulse he has of going off and trying to do his own thing as opposed to sticking to what we do as a team.
Anyway this is a thread about Demi so I'll leave it there.
cleavers said:I agree with much of what you say. MD seems to get stick for every goal we concede, and even got stick when we didn't concede against Norwich, for me he's done OK this season, he's made errors of course, but so have all the defenders.JoeMercer'sWay said:I'd go further and say that I think Vinnie has also perhaps started to believe that his defensive partners are the weak links and trying too hard to show how good he is and how he's number one and on occasion, like Borini on Sunday, trying to patrol the back line as if we play one centre back.
I think this has lead to Vinnie making more mistakes (Barca, Sunderland) but because he's Vinnie Demi gets the blame for it, despite the fact that I think Vinnie should be leaving Demi to his half of the backline and covering, which if he'd done that on sunday he'd have intercepted Borini cleanly.
I think Vinnie was poor on Sunday with that mistake and his passing which put us into trouble, I think Demi is being made to be the scapegoat because people are refusing to accept or understand the reasons why Lescott isn't in the team, because they don't dare to criticise Vinnie and partly because I think a few people still want a stick to even indirectly beat Ferran and Txiki with and not paying over the odds for a CB is now an excuse to do so.
All that aside I think even Vinnie is making too many individual mistakes for a world class CB, he needs to control that impulse he has of going off and trying to do his own thing as opposed to sticking to what we do as a team.
Anyway this is a thread about Demi so I'll leave it there.
That said for much of the first half we were 244 against Sunderland, little surprise that we looked vulnerable defensively.
I agree about ragcafe not being the font of footballing knowledge, but if we're going to quote opposition fans comments as an indicator of how one of our players is perceived, it's only fair to show those comments in context. Here are the first comments made that mentioned Demichelis during the Cup Final, in the order that they were made...sir baconface said:There were even posters on the rag caf match thread saying the same. Now I wouldn't normally hold that place up as a font of footballing knowledge. My point is it's so blatant that even they feel moved to comment.
Kompany is fecking dogshite. The prick is fecking full of himself and I love seeing him exposed like that. He was at fault for Demichelis' red card against Barcelona, which went largely unreported as Demichelis is a handy scapegoat.
Very good work and finish from Borini. I wouldn't blame just Kompany there, players tend to dribble past defenders, Demichelis was nowhere near to help him, if he just tracked back they would easily win the ball.
He's been consistently terrible this year although that seems to be put down to Demichelis instead of Kompany. Noodle got it right about him thinking he's invincible(or something along those lines) these days
If that was Demechelis doing what Kompany did they would be constantly talking about it.
What the feck are Tyler and Neville on about in commentary, mentioning Demichelis every five seconds?
Are they fecking blind? It was Kompany's howler which led to the goal; Demichelis was taken out of the game with a fabulous through ball, that's it.
I'm sorry but the stick Demichelis gets is ridiculous.
Are these pundits taking the piss? Even when Kompany is clearly at fault, it is still somehow Demichelis' fault
Demichelis taking all the criticism from Sky because they can't change their preconceived notions about Kompany.
Demechelis just got beat for pace that's all, his positioning was ok.
mcfc2607 said:the criticism he gets is extremely over the top. he's really not that bad and people need to look for themselves and not join the bandwagon.
if he makes 1 mistake his whole performance, regardless how good it is, is ruined. even if its a little mistake. he had a very solid game at Wembley and its a shame people can't see it.
he's a lot better than lescott imo.