Martin Demichelis

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Re: Demichelis out - six weeks

bayern blade said:
BlueDejong said:
Stuart Brennan ‏@StuBrennanMEN 1m
Confirming that Martin Demichelis has damaged ligaments in training today - out for about six weeks
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What the fuck..
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Don't worry you won't notice, I didn't realise he'd left us until he'd been at Malaga 6 months.
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Just checked Wikepedia and Demichelis seemed to make quite a few appearance in Bayern teams that won the domestic league and cup.

So he must have contributed something to your success.
 
Re: Demichelis out - six weeks

Revolver said:
bayern blade said:
BlueDejong said:
What the fuck..
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Don't worry you won't notice, I didn't realise he'd left us until he'd been at Malaga 6 months.
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Just checked Wikepedia and Demichelis seemed to make quite a few appearance in Bayern teams that won the domestic league and cup.

So he must have contributed something to your success.
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You only remember defenders for their mistakes. Especially in CL finals. Demichelis was good - but he was unlucky to be a defender in the van Gaal time in which only the offense counted and to shot more goals than to get. Every defender in that system looked bad. He played 174 matches in 7 years and was a regular in the starting formation.
 
Re: Demichelis out - six weeks

Maldeika said:
Revolver said:
bayern blade said:
Don't worry you won't notice, I didn't realise he'd left us until he'd been at Malaga 6 months.
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Just checked Wikepedia and Demichelis seemed to make quite a few appearance in Bayern teams that won the domestic league and cup.

So he must have contributed something to your success.
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You only remember defenders for their mistakes. Especially in CL finals. Demichelis was good - but he was unlucky to be a defender in the van Gaal time in which only the offense counted and to shot more goals than to get. Every defender in that system looked bad. He played 174 matches in 7 years and was a regular in the starting formation.
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Thanks for that info.

Funnily enough from seeing Bayern this season (which isn't an awful lot) I think that Boetang looks the weakest link (in admittedly a superb outfit).

But to play 174 times for Bayern means Demichellis is no mug. So hopefully he will be a useful asset for us.

I see Bayern were actually losing at half time today but ended up winning 4 -1
 
Re: Demichelis out - six weeks

Revolver said:
Maldeika said:
Revolver said:
Just checked Wikepedia and Demichelis seemed to make quite a few appearance in Bayern teams that won the domestic league and cup.

So he must have contributed something to your success.
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You only remember defenders for their mistakes. Especially in CL finals. Demichelis was good - but he was unlucky to be a defender in the van Gaal time in which only the offense counted and to shot more goals than to get. Every defender in that system looked bad. He played 174 matches in 7 years and was a regular in the starting formation.
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Thanks for that info.

Funnily enough from seeing Bayern this season (which isn't an awful lot) I think that Boetang looks the weakest link (in admittedly a superb outfit).

But to play 174 times for Bayern means Demichellis is no mug. So hopefully he will be a useful asset for us.

I see Bayern were actually losing at half time today but ended up winning 4 -1
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Mainz is always difficult to play against - since Tuchel is their coach. It did not help that Ribery could not play and that Pep gave a chance to Contento and rested Alaba. And they always have difficulties after international breaks. But they found the solution in the second half when Robben, Götze and Müller where coming over the right side at the same time...

Boateng needs to concentrate again - until 2 weeks ago he was very solid.

No, Micho for sure is no mug - he especially played stronger at Malaga than he played the recent two years he played at Bayern. At the end he lost his place to Badstuber - but that was after an injury which took him out two months and with van Gaal who prefers youth - that is when he left.
 
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Always was good defender, BayernBlade is just oo cocky nowadays so his shitness doesn't let him recognize that.

Not world's beater but certainly very good and experienced defender. He scores a goal or two too on set pieces. Not sure how much he will contribute with his age and this injury but he was not expensive and is good player to have around.
 
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MSP said:
Always was good defender, BayernBlade is just oo cocky nowadays so his shitness doesn't let him recognize that.

Not world's beater but certainly very good and experienced defender. He scores a goal or two too on set pieces. Not sure how much he will contribute with his age and this injury but he was not expensive and is good player to have around.
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A cheap stop gap (with a high pedigree) while Nasty develops and Kompany gets over his spate of injuries, I'm more than happy with that.
 
Re: Demichelis out - six weeks

MSP said:
Always was good defender, BayernBlade is just oo cocky nowadays so his shitness doesn't let him recognize that.

Not world's beater but certainly very good and experienced defender. He scores a goal or two too on set pieces. Not sure how much he will contribute with his age and this injury but he was not expensive and is good player to have around.
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He is, and was, a decent defender but he wouldn't get in the side much now, good on his day but was far too error prone. I don't really understand the bit in red, as regards being cocky well I am not intentionally so but I suppose it would be understandable given last seasons successes, it certainly wouldn't affect my judgement of Demichelis or any other player though.
 
Re: Demichelis out - six weeks

bayern blade said:
MSP said:
Always was good defender, BayernBlade is just oo cocky nowadays so his shitness doesn't let him recognize that.

Not world's beater but certainly very good and experienced defender. He scores a goal or two too on set pieces. Not sure how much he will contribute with his age and this injury but he was not expensive and is good player to have around.
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He is, and was, a decent defender but he wouldn't get in the side much now, good on his day but was far too error prone. I don't really understand the bit in red, as regards being cocky well I am not intentionally so but I suppose it would be understandable given last seasons successes, it certainly wouldn't affect my judgement of Demichelis or any other player though.
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No one is comparing him to Boateng, Dante and Van Buyten I hope. These are awesome defenders and set Bayern on another level from Barca and real Madrid.
 
Demichelis out - six weeks

I can only speak for myself, but my gut feeling says this guy has the potential to be a world beater next to Vinny in the short term. Every defender looks better next to Vince anyway, and DeMichelis has excelled with inferior partners.

I won't be surprised if he nails a starting berth; his experience may transcend Nasty's youthful talent.

We should see Wednesday what Demichelis will do with his first chance. I'm not Pellegrini incognito, but I'm almost certain he'll play him.

Our new signings have been playing with a point to prove so I am excited with hope that this form continues with Demichelis and we may just have a player.
 
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maybe someone could explain something to me. i have seen in other threads that demi is right footed like vinny and is his natural back up. but then people say they would be good playing together. then again nasti and lescott are both left footed so we cannot play them together. confused yes i am.
 
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mancyman said:
maybe someone could explain something to me. i have seen in other threads that demi is right footed like vinny and is his natural back up. but then people say they would be good playing together. then again nasti and lescott are both left footed so we cannot play them together. confused yes i am.
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It doesn't mean much at all. You can find myriad examples of successful right-footed centreback pairings.

It's just that righties tend to have more experience playing on both sides of central defense because left footed players are rare. Also because left footed players are rare (CBs in this case), they're often the first name for the left CB spot since youth, so they usually have less experience on the right. Again due to rarity is why you don't often see two top left footed CBs playing together, but there's no reason why they couldn't. The odds are against it...90 or so percent of your available purchase pool will be right footed.

The reason why I think Pellegrini has lost faith in the Lescott-Nasty partnership is not really so much because they're left footed but because Lescott shat himself on the ball (he was playing on the right) where he seemed to have think out his every pass, clearances, etc. I commented at the start of the match that I was suprised that Pellers didn't put Nasty on the right as Nasty would be more inclined to a position change as he is the more technical of the two. Was baffled when Pellers played them again with Lescott again on the right.

Before our title winning season, I always thought Vinny looked better on the left actually. When he played there with Kolo, there was just something about him I can't put my finger on. That observation dwindled away in my mind, but in the 2-0 loss to Bayern, Vinny again impressed on the left, and I remember formulating that thought once more.

EDIT: In fact, here is a game with two righties and look at how dominant Vince was on the left. This whole right/left footed thing doesn't convince me:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIWS5Wfi6c8[/youtube]
 
Re: Demichelis out - six weeks

mancyman said:
maybe someone could explain something to me. i have seen in other threads that demi is right footed like vinny and is his natural back up. but then people say they would be good playing together. then again nasti and lescott are both left footed so we cannot play them together. confused yes i am.
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Right footed defenders get much more experience playing on their wrong side when they're younger.

10% of the population are left footed. 30% of outfield positions favour a left footer. Consequently left footed players nearly always play on the left when they're developing.

Earlier this year Lescott said that he would be happy to play on the right side of defense but admitted that, at that time, he'd never played there. A 30 year old international centre back but he'd never played on the right side of a defense! As with many left footed defenders, if he couldn't get into a team as the left CB, he was shifted to LB rather than right CB. Lescott has since played a couple of times on the right but that will still be many fewer times than Demichellis, Kompany or even Richards will have played at left CB.
 
Re: Demichelis out - six weeks

He's a stop gap. We needed an experienced backup for Kompany given his injury issues recently (although unfortunately Demichelis promptly got injured too!), one who could step in for a few games a season and do a job, but was happy to spend a decent amount of time on the bench in the meantime. He doesn't need to be a World Beater, he'sonly here for 2 seasons at most, and only to fill a need should it arise. I'd wager he's a better option than most have as a backup at centre half. I fully expect him to make his full debut against Newcastle in the Capital One Cup.
 
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Matty said:
He's a stop gap. We needed an experienced backup for Kompany given his injury issues recently (although unfortunately Demichelis promptly got injured too!), one who could step in for a few games a season and do a job, but was happy to spend a decent amount of time on the bench in the meantime. He doesn't need to be a World Beater, he'sonly here for 2 seasons at most, and only to fill a need should it arise. I'd wager he's a better option than most have as a backup at centre half. I fully expect him to make his full debut against Newcastle in the Capital One Cup.
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Re: Demichelis out - six weeks

If he's injury's cleared up now, should he play today? It might be a big ask to be thrown in against Chelsea for his debut but I think its worth the risk.
 
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