Match fixing confirmed (including in England)

[BlueAnorak]

I'm all for var,you are in fact everyone who wants a fair game is but it seems the fa and eufa don't funny that isn't it.

The rags don’t either. Funny, that.

It will happen. They are introducing it very slowly which is exactly the right way - as there is going to be loads of trial and error as we are seeing from games around the world using it.

Only City and Arsenal want it in the top 6. I wonder why that is?
Referees are also doing their level best to mess up its introduction. I wonder why that is also?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

There will never be a perfect system to get all decisions correct because so many people see decisions differently - VAR is happening, we’ve lived without it for over 100 years, you can’t just implement something this huge without trial and error.

This is true. What they need to do is decide when they're using it. It has been used in the trials on things that apparently it shouldn't.

Offsides are going to be the difficult one, if 'clear' error is the requirement. There have been some that might be six inches offside - IMO that's not a clear error as even that freezeframe may be a fraction of a second out. Linesmen and players are going to have to get used to playing on and wait for VAR, and that's not going to be easy to do.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Likewise, they’re doing a pretty awful job considering Man City are steam rolling the Premiership and on course to get a record amount of points and goals..

Four or Five decisions a game in favour of Manchester City are just not made. They're trying their best to bend games. it's just only occasionally sucessful - Palace (A), Liverpool away (CL) and Manchester United(H).

 

[Blue Hefner]

This is true. What they need to do is decide when they're using it. It has been used in the trials on things that apparently it shouldn't.

Offsides are going to be the difficult one, if 'clear' error is the requirement. There have been some that might be six inches offside - IMO that's not a clear error as even that freezeframe may be a fraction of a second out. Linesmen and players are going to have to get used to playing on and wait for VAR, and that's not going to be easy to do.

Clear error is not a requirement when judging offside, as a player is either offside or he is not. Apparently there is software to judge the exact moment the ball is played - personally I don't agree with this (see Mata V Huddersfield earlier this season). I think there should be a 'linesman call' option if ti is close. Unless of course, the decision can be made accurately and quickly - I immediately think of Silva this season and Sane last season V Arsenal, we would still be there now trying to judge those

 

[BlueAnorak]

This is true. What they need to do is decide when they're using it. It has been used in the trials on things that apparently it shouldn't.

Offsides are going to be the difficult one, if 'clear' error is the requirement. There have been some that might be six inches offside - IMO that's not a clear error as even that freezeframe may be a fraction of a second out. Linesmen and players are going to have to get used to playing on and wait for VAR, and that's not going to be easy to do.

Offside are easy to address. The decision on the pitch can only be overruled if there is a clear gap between the torso of the attacking player and the torso of the 2nd to last defending player.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Offside are easy to address. The decision on the pitch can only be overruled if there is a clear gap between the tirso of the attacking player and the torso of the 2nd to last defending player.

Something like that is what will be needed, I agree, and each decision collated to see which linesmen are making errors. The difficulty can be when the flag goes up - does play carry on then still, or stop? It needs a clear directive to linesman, and that to be used properly.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Clear error is not a requirement when judging offside, as a player is either offside or he is not. Apparently there is software to judge the exact moment the ball is played - personally I don't agree with this (see Mata V Huddersfield earlier this season). I think there should be a 'linesman call' option if ti is close. Unless of course, the decision can be made accurately and quickly - I immediately think of Silva this season and Sane last season V Arsenal, we would still be there now trying to judge those

I've not heard of the software, but it doesn't sound like a quick thing to run. It falls close to the idea that all available TV angles are made available for the review, and that doesn't seem to happen - there have been instances when an angle materialises a few days later. I have definitely seen two TV stations use different lines for the same instance and come to different conclusions.

Linesman's call - absolutely this is how it must go. It's easy if the flag stays down to chalk off a goal. I don't know what happens if the flag goes up. It might make the offside trap a lot more difficult to use.

One thing that is certain is that the errors and who benefits from them will be collated nowadays by a lot of people. Weed out the partisan interpretations, and who make the errors and who benefits will be quite clear.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Something like that is what will be needed, I agree, and each decision collated to see which linesmen are making errors. The difficulty can be when the flag goes up - does play carry on then still, or stop? It needs a clear directive to linesman, and that to be used properly.

Linesman should become a bit less trigger happy with VAR but those on the take will still try and use it as a way of bending match results. Stats should be recovered and Linesman / Referees who get it wrong should lose out on appointment to big games.

 

[Blue Hefner]

I've not heard of the software, but it doesn't sound like a quick thing to run. It falls close to the idea that all available TV angles are made available for the review, and that doesn't seem to happen - there have been instances when an angle materialises a few days later. I have definitely seen two TV stations use different lines for the same instance and come to different conclusions.

Linesman's call - absolutely this is how it must go. It's easy if the flag stays down to chalk off a goal. I don't know what happens if the flag goes up. It might make the offside trap a lot more difficult to use.

One thing that is certain is that the errors and who benefits from them will be collated nowadays by a lot of people. Weed out the partisan interpretations, and who make the errors and who benefits will be quite clear.

Gabrielle Marcotti, The Times journalist, is on top of most/all things VAR. I follow him on Twitter and he's well worth listening to if he's on the TV, radio or podcasts

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Gabrielle Marcotti, The Times journalist, is on top of most/all things VAR. I follow him on Twitter and he's well worth listening to if he's on the TV, radio or podcasts

Great, I'll keep an eye out for his stuff then.