Mateo Kovacic

[shak]

In fairness is there another player on Earth facing tougher competition than Modric, Kroos and Rakitic? Probably 3 of the top 5 CMs in the world.

Its a good point but I do think it's unusual that Croatia have seemed so against using him at the world cup. Might be a bit like the Laporte/Sane situations wherein the players are very talented but the manager just doesn't feel comfortable using them in his system.

 

[taconinja]

Its a good point but I do think it's unusual that Croatia have seemed so against using him at the world cup. Might be a bit like the Laporte/Sane situations wherein the players are very talented but the manager just doesn't feel comfortable using them in his system.

Yeah, Modric basically needed a wheelchair at the end of last night's match. If you don't use Kovacic at that point, it says something about him or the manager.

 

[NQCitizen]

Its a good point but I do think it's unusual that Croatia have seemed so against using him at the world cup. Might be a bit like the Laporte/Sane situations wherein the players are very talented but the manager just doesn't feel comfortable using them in his system.

I think it's more like the Kane issue - the manager just won't take off his best players Modric and Rakitic because they're integral to the system and they've always got a moment in them.

 

[BlueDeadHead]

When your argument is reduced to disparaging the person your in discussion with your position is in trouble.
Hence I wont go there and will try to keep it polite.
You have actually reiterated quite a lot of what I have actually said.
However, some of what your saying does not make sense at all.

On one hand youve stated that I dont understand the video and that I dont realize that "there's no way Jorginho either is or would be a Pirlo style regista in our team, and it's making a distinction where one doesn't exist".
Yet it is you not me who is confusingly making distinctions with reference to a Pirlo style regista. I have not mentioned Pirlo once to you, I think.
Further I don't understand what your on about a regista is a regista.
There aint no Joey Barton style regista, Jan Mobly style regista or Jamie Pollock style regista

Just simply a regista. Which is a deep lying playmaker

I have previously clarified my awareness of how Fern carries out the regista role so that does not restating here.
However, where you are wrong is that whilst Fern does do everything a regista does he does not do it all well, particularly with focus upon the deep lying play making and to an extent press resistant responsibilities of the role.
Hence the reason why the club feel they need to prioritize a deep lying playmaker in that role.

Where I differ from you is that I try not to take cheap shots or manipulate information to suit my argument when I feel my position is at best flaky.
Instead I would leave this question to rest of the thread based upon the argument you have advanced.
The question is whether it is felt Jorghinio with his lack of pace, aggression and mobility is able to match the defensive cover Fern provides when he is sitting in that Regista role for City.
He may well be able to time will tell but on the basis of what I have observed, I think he would struggle to which may impact on both the fluidity and solidity of our style of play.

Roles and positions are different things. Its that simple.

 

[Delphacito]

I cant think of one prem team who has a midfielder with his lack of pace and mobility playing at the base of their midfield.
It is not irrelevant because within the prem without a silva or debruyne kind of pace or mobility, he may play as a dm, but he may also do it badly.
What is possibly irrelevant though is the nature of the discussion because he may not even sign for city.

I can’t think of a PL team that would start Delph at left back. I can’t think of a PL team that would start two no 10s as CMs either. But hey Pep did both so maybe he knows more than us if he’s pursuing Jorginho to be our DM.

 

[cjn]

I don't think I believe Kovacic is actually the backup plan at the moment. It seems we have a decent enough relationship with Madrid, but they're not letting him go on the cheap. It wouldn't make a ton of sense to pass up on Jorginho for a few extra million pounds to start from scratch on another deal which will cost just as much, if not more than the first.

 

[93.01]

Roles and positions are different things. Its that simple.

Ok. Not got a clue what your on about though.

 

[93.01]

I can’t think of a PL team that would start Delph at left back. I can’t think of a PL team that would start two no 10s as CMs either. But hey Pep did both so maybe he knows more than us if he’s pursuing Jorginho to be our DM.

Your talking about a position on one hand is the quarter back of the team responsible for instigating transitions. But on the other hand will have defensive responsibility defensively. It's a specialist position where half measures won't do. As for the two no 10s starting as CM. Who the fuck do you think they had sitting behind them providing defensive screen Fern? I'm all for opinions but come on man.

 

[93.01]

As for Delph at left back, is the concept of that so remarkable for you to comprehend, when klopp regularly used milner at left back. Again come on. Rather than trying to get clever be constructive.

 

[Delphacito]

Your talking about a position on one hand is the quarter back of the team responsible for instigating transitions. But on the other hand will have defensive responsibility defensively. It's a specialist position where half measures won't do. As for the two no 10s starting as CM. Who the fuck do you think they had sitting behind them providing defensive screen Fern? I'm all for opinions but come on man.

You completely missed my point. Seems there’s no more need to reason with you. Come back to me once you understand.