Mateo Kovacic

[City_Sean]

In some aspects, Kovacic would be a better fit than Jorginho, he's more tenacious and better at dribbling which would be better against high pressing sides. I don't think he's that worse in terms of passing. But we don't need a great passer as we have KDB, Silva, Gundogan who can essentially playmake.

 

[93.01]

I would not buy him for reasons stated in my earlier posts and none of the reasons are because think he is shit because I dont think he is.
The purpose of the vid was to try to clarify that this lad is not a dm, he is a deep lying playmaker, where the focus of his strengths are his forwards passing rather than his ability to defend.
I actually think there is room for a deep lying playmaker, pivot, regista, whatever its called within our system, but for me it has to be one whom has more pace and energy about him.
Currently Fern has these qualities, its the deep lying player making side where Fern is not as strong.
It would appear to me that he would need two enforcers playing beside him to get the best out of him which incidentally he would get at Chelsea with Kante and bakayoko.
My fear is that the system I think he would require to thrive would be detrimental to City, or the individual games of other players like de bruyne or silva who would be asked to compensate for what I see as a weakness in his defensive game with regards to pace, aggression and mobility.
But time will tell he could come into the prem and smash it we will just have to see

So from your understanding of that, you'd say we'd buy Jorginho sit him at the base (instead of Fernandinho) and have De Bruyne/Silva mopping up defensive duties (like Gattuso/Ambrosini for Pirlo); or employ Jorginho in a 2 with Fernandinho, with Fern acting as the defensive shield?

I would not buy him for reasons stated in my earlier posts and none of the reasons are because think he is shit because I dont think he is.
The purpose of the vid was to try to clarify that this lad is not a dm, he is a deep lying playmaker, where the focus of his strengths are his forwards passing rather than his ability to defend.
I actually think there is room for a deep lying playmaker, pivot, regista, whatever its called within our system, but for me it has to be one whom has more pace and energy about him.
Currently Fern has these qualities, its the deep lying player making side where Fern is not as strong.
It would appear to me that he would need two enforcers playing beside him to get the best out of him which incidentally he would get at Chelsea with Kante and bakayoko.
My fear is that the system I think he would require to thrive would be detrimental to City, or the individual games of other players like de bruyne or silva who would be asked to compensate for what I see as his weaknesses in his defensive game with regards to pace, aggression and mobility.
But time will tell he could come into the prem and smash it we will just have to see.

 

[93.01]

I think you are too entrenched with the idea of DM being a midfielder that defends. Your idea of DM is more of a role, but instead when people refer to DM it’s more towards where he is positioned than the role, which is behind De Bruyne and Silva. His role could be whatever, but his position is DM.

Your wrong mate. Read my earlier posts.
It his pace and mobility which concern me.
If he looked as thgough he could match the pace and mobility of say debruyne and silva, I would have him in there all day.
His position may be that of a dm but his main role and strengths is that of playmaker who situated deep in order to assist with recycling/retaining possession, beating a high line press and instigating quick attacking transitions from deep.

 

[93.01]

In some aspects, Kovacic would be a better fit than Jorginho, he's more tenacious and better at dribbling which would be better against high pressing sides. I don't think he's that worse in terms of passing. But we don't need a great passer as we have KDB, Silva, Gundogan who can essentially playmake.

Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[domalino]

In some aspects, Kovacic would be a better fit than Jorginho, he's more tenacious and better at dribbling which would be better against high pressing sides.

Sorry but that's just not right. The way you beat high pressing sides is by moving the ball quickly with people who can make quick, accurate, one touch passes while receiving the ball under pressure. We've known that since Pep's Barcelona. That's why Jorginho beats the press constantly.

Dribbling can break the press if you get past the first couple of defenders, but it's much more risky, because you can and will get caught on the ball.

 

[Delphacito]

Your wrong mate. Read my earlier posts.
It his pace and mobility which concern me.
If he looked as thgough he could match the pace and mobility of say debruyne and silva, I would have him in there all day.
His position may be that of a dm but his main role and strengths is that of playmaker who situated deep in order to assist with recycling/retaining possession, beating a high line press and instigating quick attacking transitions from deep.

Nobody is arguing about Jorginho’s lack of speed or mobility. That is irrelevant to the fact that he will play as the DM in our team.

 

[City_Sean]

Sorry but that's wrong. The way you beat high pressing sides is by moving the ball quickly with people who can make quick, accurate, one touch passes while receiving the ball under pressure. We've known that since Pep's Barcelona. That's why Jorginho beats the press.

That's one way to beat a press. But If you have someone who's as supremely good at dribbling in close spaces then it's an alternate route to doing it.

 

[ken tali]

Sorry but that's just not right. The way you beat high pressing sides is by moving the ball quickly with people who can make quick, accurate, one touch passes while receiving the ball under pressure. We've known that since Pep's Barcelona. That's why Jorginho beats the press constantly.

Dribbling can break the press if you get past the first couple of defenders, but it's much more risky, because you can and will get caught on the ball.

Agree, i tihnk we are looking for a player ,who would help us against a team like Liverpool ,Ferna made some crucial errors in those losses against Liverpool at our own half and we are looking to avaoid the same mistakes again, we are so good team and can´t afford to get beaten all the time by Liverpool again.It´s time to go all out and win the Champions League and we need some variety to attack different quality teams that we face in CL.

 

[domalino]

That's one way to beat a press. But If you have someone who's as supremely good at dribbling in close spaces then it's an alternate route to doing it.

As I said above, that's an inferior way of doing it because it's only a matter of time before you get caught with the ball. Being able to beat 1 man with dribbling or footwork is great, because it immediately fucks up the marking further up the pitch by forcing another defender to come to you, but when you face teams like Liverpool who will commit at least 2 men to the man on the ball, passing is the only way - either through, or over the top of the press.

 

[City_Sean]

As I said above, that's an inferior way of doing it because it's only a matter of time before you get caught with the ball. Being able to beat 1 man with dribbling or footwork is great, because it immediately fucks up the marking further up the pitch by forcing another defender to come to you, but when you face teams like Liverpool who will commit at least 2 men to the man on the ball, passing is the only way - either through, or over the top of the press.

It's inferior but it's still an alternative way. By all accounts Jorginho isn't dead yet but I'm still convinced that Kovacic would be a v good signing.