Mix of all types, I've watched all of their games. He can pass, the one problem is that it's far from his first instinct to do so, he likes to carry the ball. Great as an 8 or 10 or as part of a double pivot Yaya/Dinho style, not great at the base of a 3.I know stats often lie (or rather they can often be interpreted to suit whatever preconceived notion you have) but apparently Kovacic has played 88 passes in a little over 100 minutes of football at the world cup and only misplaced 2. (Pass completion around 97%). Now I don't know how many of those are forward/backward/long/short) and he has tended to be subbed on late in games but that's still very impressive just from a numbers perspective.
Simeone was a dirty bastard but he wasn't a defensive midfielder, had far more to his game than that. Same goes for Souness. Defensive midfielders actually weren't in use when Souness played, it was two box to box usually.
Modric, Kroos, Requilme (?)- Modric plays as the highest of the midfield three, carrys the ball, far more of a trequartarista if you want to use those terms, same for Riquelme, if that's who you meant. Kroos is simply a playmaker. He doesn't sit deep and does zero work without the ball.
Of course I get it, fuck me you are an idiot. I said...and I'm going to quote myself here seeing as you can't be arsed to read..."Kross and Modric play in the DM position?" Nothing in there saying they are DM's is there as you suggest.
I go onto mention Veron, who plainly never played in a DM position in his life or dropped deep to dictate play.
Butter it up all you like but you clearly have no fucking idea what you are talking about. I'll also stick with my Souness claim. To call him a DM is wrong. Plainly wrong. He was a midfielder who broke from the middle of the park. A midfield general. Box to Box. Hard tackling. He did not sit in front of the back 4 or dictate play from there.
Brozovic was at all times the deepest midfielder for Croatia last night, Rakitic and Modric supported him when needed but Modric is as much a DM in their system as Silva is in ours. Your problem is you think that if a player drops deeper to help their team out when they're under the cosh that means they're assigned a deeper position, because you don't realise that teammates cover for each other. Try playing the game. Btw, the average position that Modric took up was well ahead of the other two. Rakitic would have been a better bet to push your argument, even though you'd still be wrong.He he he.
I'll leave your post to the thread mate its a cracker.
Modric may have licence to move into trequartarista, territory for madrid, but take another look at the game last night, his staring position from where he dictated play was from deep for Croatia. He moved into trequartarista, the more England sat back.
Thats the issue with your knowledge its fixed and does not seem to take account for the fluidity in playing positions or team shape within a game, which is surprising given your supposed to be a city fan.
Of course Modric may start off deep and then end up wide or in a number 10, within games, thats the fluidity of team tactics these days, but it hardly means that the number 10 position is his definite position when he plays.
As for Sourness dm, holding midfielder, central midfielder, cal it what you like, you cant escape the fact that his prime responsibility was to boss and enforce the midfield, this allowed the other ballers the room to play.
Veron never played in a dm role before? Fuck me.
Your right if your assuming Im talking about a makelele dm role.
Im not he was a Regista, he was renowned for his long passing range from deep.
Utd fucked up because they thought they were getting a couthinio type player back then but realized when it was to late that they had to drop him deep so that he had the space for them to get the best out of him.
You clearly have some knowledge and im learning from you but apart from swearing at people who challenge you view, dont you read?
You got me. Yes I can be a dick. Regarding Mbappe, Upmarket Vardy, thats me. Ill never live it down and probably deserving so, because he is goodSo you admit to being a dick?
Excellent. Now hold your hands up and admit you don't have the foggiest idea about football and spend your time on here making stuff up to appear knowledgeable and we can all move on. I know I have.
Souness was a defensive midfielder. Fucking hell.
Next up in the series..."How Gary Lineker was a winger who liked to score the odd goal."
With the exception of asking me to try playing the game. I agree with everything you have said. I have not said anything to detract from what you are saying You may have missed my post when I talk about fluidity of positions. Good post but read my posts before you fire off the insults or better still ask me what I may actually mean.Brozovic was at all times the deepest midfielder for Croatia last night, Rakitic and Modric supported him when needed but Modric is as much a DM in their system as Silva is in ours. Your problem is you think that if a player drops deeper to help their team out when they're under the cosh that means they're assigned a deeper position, because you don't realise that teammates cover for each other. Try playing the game. Btw, the average position that Modric took up was well ahead of the other two. Rakitic would have been a better bet to push your argument, even though you'd still be wrong.
Let me take is slowly for you.
You said Kovacic is not a DM.
If he plays the six he is a DM.
Just like if you put Aguero in the nets he would be a GK.
I suspect that my idea of a DM is similar to yours, despite the variations in how the role is carried out. Whilst I value the ability to dictate play from deep and being able to beat a high press. I do place a lot of significance on defensive duties. Put it this way jorghinio alongside fern works but even then, I'd still be a bit worried. Where I'm shitting myself is fern out of the team and the prospect of jorghinio alongside side gundogan or debruyne in midfield.De Bruyne can do a bit but when I look at the amount of unheralded work fern gets through. I'm struggling to see jorghinio having the same level of mobility, pace and agression fern provides, which enables us not only to retain possession but snuff out attacks when teams counter fast or go long.My mistake, I meant to write "You said Jorgihno is not a DM".
My point is you are conflating a position on the pitch with a role within that position.
A DM in my world sits just in front of the back 4. Depending on the tactics that position can have many roles. One of those roles is the DLP or Regista.