Check out a YouTube of Lobotka. Especially those of the VS. variety. I'm giddy over this guy and haven't seen a full game yet.
There's something about his style that screams Pep's DM!!!
He he he took me back that.
I thought we had moved on from this kind of rhetoric when Wenger first joined English football and the media and fans were giving him the side eye about wanting to stop players drinking beer and modify their diet.
Just because your not familiar with something doesnt mean that its then fair game to disparage.
You'll find that football has moved on since Dicky Davies and Elton Welsby and the fans now refuse to be spoon fed shit by the media outlets and would rather reflect, research and analyse for themselves.
It may have got tasty between me and a couple of the guys I have been in discussion with but what I will give them is that they know their shit, particularly the guy who made reference to a number 6.
I may not agree with him and he may not agree with me but I tell you something I would take advice from him all day over that of others who disparage footballing terms because they dont understand it.
Tifosi di calcio per sempre
I think you may find it is you that does not seem to understand that there is a world of difference between a regista and what is well considerred to be a DM.
Diego Simeone, Dunga, Graeme Souness,Didier Deschamps and Claude Makelele were all Defensive midfielders.
Veron, Pirlo, Alonso, , Modric, Kroos, Requilme, Xavi were or are still considered to be registas.
All play in the same DM, role.
With the first list none of the these players required minders to compensate for any issues they may have defensively.
However, with the second list you will find most of these players have or had the team shaped around them with at least one or two defensive midfielders sitting along or behind them.
Given it is expected that Jorghnio may be a replacement for Fern, if you cant see or understand the difference between the two lists of players and what this may mean if Jorghinio is not playing alongside someone like fern who has a balance in attacking and defensive qualities, it is you who has an issue with understanding.
In more simplistic terms John Stones and Phil Jones are both central defenders but there is a world of difference in their skills and how those skills allow the team shape, formation or philosophy to function.
You dont just stick a number six whoever it may be in a dm role and then expect him to play like xavi and defend like keane just because he is occupying a dm role.
Its a nonsense.
I have not said any of the players you have mentioned are dms.Hold on...
Kroos and Modric play in the DM position? What?? Xavi as well?? Is this madness? Witchcraft? Hold on...Veron??? Fucking hell...am I watching a different game? They are, are you ready for this phrase, you can use it again, ready?...they are..."Central Midfielders."
And as for your DM list...Souness? A DM? Did you see him play? Because I did and he was a box to box if anything.
I've put in bold the players that fit your description.
Simeone was a dirty bastard but he wasn't a defensive midfielder, had far more to his game than that. Same goes for Souness. Defensive midfielders actually weren't in use when Souness played, it was two box to box usually.I have not said any of the players you have mentioned are dms.
If you took the time to read instead of trying to be clever you would see that I have referred to them as registas, who take up dm positions on the pitch or orchestrate the flow of the game from deep.
Top list dm's second list registas. Get it?
Further you can split hairs over Souness being a box to box, and in many many games you are probably right, but again dont be silly Souness was the enforcer who would sit when it got tasty.
Any other issues with the first list describing those players as dms? didn't think so.
No I can take disagreements thats part and parcel of debate /discussion.Of course it is. You say something long winded and full of rubbish and other posters take the piss. Disparage.
Other posters say stuff you don't agree with and you disparage.
It's the way forums work.
Point me to where I have said Kovacic is not a DM?Let me take is slowly for you.
You said Kovacic is not a DM.
If he plays the six he is a DM.
Just like if you put Aguero in the nets he would be a GK.
I have not said any of the players you have mentioned are dms.
If you took the time to read instead of trying to be clever you would see that I have referred to them as registas, who take up dm positions on the pitch or orchestrate the flow of the game from deep.
Top list dm's second list registas. Get it?
Further you can split hairs over Souness being a box to box, and in many many games you are probably right, but again dont be silly Souness was the enforcer who would sit when it got tasty.
Any other issues with the first list describing those players as dms? didn't think so.
No I can take disagreements thats part and parcel of debate /discussion.
I can confirm that more than once I have held up my hands and admitted when I have been a dick or wrong.
What I have little time for ithose who want to disparage because they dont really have anything constructive or insightful to say.
Its one thing not knowing something thats fine, but disparaging someone because you dont understand something or because of their choice of vocabulary, is an issue with you not me and belies something uncomfortable.