maths with the glaziers

bluetoby said:
some one said that their interest rate is closer to 14% because of the type of financing !!

True.

This is the article from the Times I posted yesterday that blows everything wide open.

Apparently the debt is Currently £700mill.

There is a personal hedge fund loan/debt of £175.5mill (not the £519mill debt secured against the club) taken out on a whopping 14.25%. That part of the debt matures in 2017 and if it's not paid off by then in full, it will rise to a MASSIVE £580mill. (Jesus H Christ!)

By 2017(surely Fergie won't be around that long) United's debt could top well over £1billion. More than the club is worth.

Pass it on to a Rag and cheer them up.

Glazer family hit the wall over refinancing of Manchester United | Manchester United - Times Online

The Glazer family, the owners of Manchester United, are struggling to refinance their enormous debts amid concerns about the impact they are having on the club.

The Times understands that the Americans have been trying unsuccessfully to secure a refinancing package for part of the club’s £699 million debt for months, having failed in 2007 and last year, because of the bleak global economic climate.

Fans’ groups have cast doubt over whether they will ever see the £80 million raised from the sale of Cristiano Ronaldo, the Portugal forward, to Real Madrid last summer reinvested in the squad.

Dragan Djuric, the Partizan Belgrade president, meanwhile claimed this week that United pulled the plug on a deal to sign Adem Ljajic, the Serbia Under-21 midfield player, because “maybe they are in financial crisis”.

United dismissed Djuric’s claims and a spokesman for the Glazer family has maintained publicly that there is plenty of money available for Sir Alex Ferguson, the manager, to spend on players, but supporters are unlikely to be pacified until they see the arrival of some big names or evidence that the spiralling debt is under control. The main concern is understood to centre around the £175.5 million worth of debt that the Glazers are personally responsible for, not the £518.7 million of loans secured against the club.

It is these so-called Payment In Kind (PIK) notes, money borrowed from US hedge funds that “rolls up” at an annual interest rate of 14.25 per cent, that the Americans are believed to have been trying to refinance.

The intention was always to pay off these loans within a few years of the takeover in May 2005, but while they managed to redeem some of the original PIK debt of £275 million, the credit crunch has made this difficult.

By the time the debt matures in 2017, it will stand at £580 million unless the Glazers can pay part or all of it off before then, or secure a preferential rate of interest. With the club also facing rising capital repayments from 2013, the PIK debt is a concern. It grew from £152 million to £175.5 million in one financial year.

Previous reports that the Glazers could persuade the banks to refinance by offering securitisation against future match-day revenues are said to be wide of the mark; ticket sales are already factored into the borrowing.

As such, given that the 14.25 per cent interest rate was agreed the last and only time the Glazers have been able to refinance, in August 2006 when the financial climate was rosier, they will do well to secure a lower rate unless they have something tangible to offer would-be lenders.

It is understood that United are operating well within the financial terms set by their lenders. However, Perry Capital and Citadel — the two US hedge funds that provided the Glazers with PIK loans — get a range of rights over the club in the event that their financial performance falls beneath a certain level, including the right to appoint their own directors to the board.

Ultimately, they could seize control of the club should revenues plummet.

Documents obtained by The Times also reveal that the terms of the loan put a cap on United’s spending.

A spokesman for the Glazer family said: “We continue to keep our financial options for the club under review just like any other business.”
 
kinkysleftfoot said:
LMAO you got to much time on your hands!

Chris in London said:
We don't know how much the rags debt actually is, and we don't know what interest rate the banks have imposed, but if we assume debt of £800m and interest at 5% p.a. the following amusing calculation occurs.

Every year, the rags are paying £40m in interest alone.

Every day, that equates to £109,589. Every hour that equates to £4,566. Every minute that equates to £76 or £1.26 per second.

So, if you want to play a game which will will amuse you on your way home tonight, check out what time you leave work, and what time you get home, then multiply the number of minutes taken by £76 and you have got how much further the rags have gone into debt since you left work.

Or, click your fingers once, count to four and click them again. The rags lost a fiver in that time.

Another £38 while you made your post mate...lol
 
nashark said:
I have converted United's debt into Zimbabwean dollars pre February 2, 2009.
















4.75292092e23



It's so big, it's got a fuckin letter in it.


thats now my facebook stauts, thank you
 
I'm quite happy for things to stay as they are. The interest payments will certainly restrict their ability to buy big and pay big wages, plus players like Giggs, Scholes, Van der Sar & Neville can only have a couple of seasons left and Baconface will probably be gone in the same time period.

If they do slip out the top 4 then the financial squeeze will be even greater.
 
Chris in London said:
BlueTG said:
The only maths we need to know is..

SCUM + GLAZERS = FINANCIALLY FUCKED ;)

I agree, but it's fun knowing just how fucked they are.

One of the delights of this sporting age. They have to win the Chimps League to keep their breathing tackle above the Florida waterline.

They may well wonder where the FakeRon £85m went - bankers bonuses, you dozy sods!
 
so why did the yanks buy the shit hole?
they must be making profit on there investment or why else would they have bought the shit hole
 
allan harper said:
so why did the yanks buy the shit hole?
they must be making profit on there investment or why else would they have bought the shit hole
I think they thought that they would re-finance the debt at a lower rate of interest, squeeze every penny they could out of the fans to maximise profits and take a nice little dividend out of the club every year before selling on for a nice gain after 5 years. Possibly also thought they could sell media rights separately but that won't happen.

The credit crunch put paid to that strategy and they are stuck with a raft of debt that they can't re-finance and not quite enough profits to pay their interest bill. It's like stretching yourself to buy a house when the market is going up and credit is cheap & plentiful then the interest rate goes up and the housing market goes down.
 
allan harper said:
so why did the yanks buy the shit hole?
they must be making profit on there investment or why else would they have bought the shit hole


Similar to a "buy to let" mortgage. A tennant comes in and with the rent he pays, it covers the mortgage payments. Meanwhile the value of the property rises as the years roll by.

The Glazers bought the rags with loaned money and planned that the annual profit would cover the loan repayments, so they'd be buying united with rag supporters money.
 
Chris in London said:
We don't know how much the rags debt actually is, and we don't know what interest rate the banks have imposed, but if we assume debt of £800m and interest at 5% p.a. the following amusing calculation occurs.

Every year, the rags are paying £40m in interest alone.

Every day, that equates to £109,589. Every hour that equates to £4,566. Every minute that equates to £76 or £1.26 per second.

So, if you want to play a game which will will amuse you on your way home tonight, check out what time you leave work, and what time you get home, then multiply the number of minutes taken by £76 and you have got how much further the rags have gone into debt since you left work.

Or, click your fingers once, count to four and click them again. The rags lost a fiver in that time.


Im sure that ive seen the int payments as 50/55 mill.
 

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