mayweather v mosely

[leighton]

I can see why Money wants blood tests and you cant knock him for those demands imagine if Pacman fights Money and beats him and then it is later found out he was on a preformance inhancer that would ruin boxing. Yet some boxing fans are quick to slate a clean fighter for avoiding Pacman when Pacman himself refused to do the tests. It is madness if you ask me get the bloods done and the get the fight on if Pacman knows he is going to fail the fight will never happen and Pacman imo will not go down as a All Time Great.

 

[goatfeeder100]

I'm pretty sure Pacquiao would have been busted by now if he was juicing. It can't be that hard for the boxing authorities to enforce some kind of drugs testing, plenty of fighters have been nailed for it in the past.

 

[Rushton121]

decided to stay up and watch it, glad i did, Mayweather was a different class (thought Mosley had him in the 2nd round though)

really hope he fights Pacquiao

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

I waited intentionally to read the reaction and only a couple of posters realized what they witnessed, and what only a select few know on here, Mayweather is without doubt the greatest Fighter of his generation, and in the top 3 of all time. Carron as usual covered his arse with 'i predicted mayweather', yeah with you covering your prediction with 'though wouldn't be surprised to see shane knock him out'...... bla bla bla, mosely caught him flush and would of took any other fighter out, he also punches harder than manny so what could pac do?
Adam Donnely give it up lad, all you ever do is slate the guy as either hand picking fighters or fighters ones over the hill, nobody has ever confused mosely like that , age had nothing to do with it, the result would of been the same 10 years ago.

If pac was unsure before that fight he will be within no doubt now that he cannot win that fight, never happen.

-- Sun May 02, 2010 1:50 pm --



Mosely catching pac like he did in the 2nd would of been lights out for him.......... and as i've stated pac doesn't bang as hard as mosely, its all on work rate and constant pressure, mayweather would simply outbox him, ware him down and genuinely believe a stoppage, pac would go looking for him and get caught.

I can't see how Manny would have been there for Shane to hit him like he did to Mosley.

Mayweather will have a hard time dealing with the sheer perpetual motion of Pacquiao.

Mosley's footwork was poor last night, he looked off balance the whole night, which helped Mayweather because in a straight forward trading session, Mayweather can out-punch anyone. Manny however doesn't just stand up in front of you to allow that to happen.

It will be interesting, can Mayweather be as accurate against a guy who does not stay in the same position at any stage, and is Manny's movement enough to prevent Mayweather from finding the range with those rapier like straight rights and jabs. It's a fascinating clash of styles and no way is it a given that Floyd wins.

The fight has to happen for the credibility of boxing.

I agree with pretty much everything other than a couple of points, Pacs only strategy to win that fight is to be on the front foot, this will allow floyd, contrary to your misgivings to hit pac alot more than mosely, this alone will force pac to fight more cautiously..... alot like the marquez fight pac had to slow his driving of the fight as he was hit far to frequently. This fight is won on the dictatorship of the fight and the tactical know how of floyd would shine through.
It would as you say be a tragedy for the sport if the fight didn't happen but i have to agree with mayweathers standpoint, clean up the sport and lets see who stands at the top of the tree, pac is going to experience enormous pressure from his peers to adhere to this testing now otherwise the whispers will become mob chants.<br /><br />-- Sun May 02, 2010 2:42 pm --<br /><br />

I'm pretty sure Pacquiao would have been busted by now if he was juicing. It can't be that hard for the boxing authorities to enforce some kind of drugs testing, plenty of fighters have been nailed for it in the past.

Theres no doubt he's juicing, i know the roach camp is very worried by the inclusion of Trevor Graham ever since the Last Marquez fight, a man who systematically destroyed the credibility of US athletics on his own, how he's even allowed to be involved is a mystery to me.

 

[leighton]

Pacman is on something thats for sure. He does not want anything to do with radium drug testing. For all we know he could be doing a course prior to the normal testing and that has yet to be picked up. I do wonder how he keeps his power when he has moved up the weights. Yes 1 weight maybe but to move up as far as he has done and still hold onto that power you do start to wonder. Even Mayweathers Dad thought Manny was on something before the Hatton fight. Rumours were going around because Mayweather Snr had a falling out with the Hatton camp over this issue before they boxed.

 

[Manchester1894]

If Flloyd did lose to any boxer now it wouldn't matter, his legacy is cemented. He's getting on a bit now but talent and dedication keeps him going. Wouldn't be surprised if his hands went again after some of those shots on Mosleys big old head.

As for some of those Pacman comments on here.. there's an air of bitter Hatton fans about it. That fat bastard is now doing Churchill ad's. Lmao

 

[conormcfc]

I waited intentionally to read the reaction and only a couple of posters realized what they witnessed, and what only a select few know on here, Mayweather is without doubt the greatest Fighter of his generation, and in the top 3 of all time. Carron as usual covered his arse with 'i predicted mayweather', yeah with you covering your prediction with 'though wouldn't be surprised to see shane knock him out'...... bla bla bla, mosely caught him flush and would of took any other fighter out, he also punches harder than manny so what could pac do?
Adam Donnely give it up lad, all you ever do is slate the guy as either hand picking fighters or fighters ones over the hill, nobody has ever confused mosely like that , age had nothing to do with it, the result would of been the same 10 years ago.

If pac was unsure before that fight he will be within no doubt now that he cannot win that fight, never happen.

What you on about now? I made the prediction of a Floyd win on this thread last Monday or summat...And yes I said I wouldn't have been surprised to see Shane KO Floyd (lets face it, it was unbelievably close to happening in the 2nd). It isn't my fault if I'm not going to be surprised by something is it? so I'm not trying to 'cover my prediction' by saying that.

On the subject of Pac-Floyd, it's pretty obvious that neither guy will change their stance on the random testing issue, so sadly It's looking as if we're gonna be deprived of this fight. Floyd's said today that he could possibly fight Sergio Martinez, which I'd be ok with at Junior middle, Sergio's proved what he can do at that weight.
I'd prefer Floyd to fight Paul Williams (Who'll beat Cintron on Saturday) tbh. Williams is a more difficult fight that Pac in alot of ways, what with the size and weight advantage. Either way there aren't many elite fights left for Floyd or Manny at welter because between them they've cleaned the division out.<br /><br />-- 02 May 2010, 15:43 --<br /><br />

If Flloyd did lose to any boxer now it wouldn't matter, his legacy is cemented. He's getting on a bit now but talent and dedication keeps him going. Wouldn't be surprised if his hands went again after some of those shots on Mosleys big old head.

As for some of those Pacman comments on here.. there's an air of bitter Hatton fans about it. That fat bastard is now doing Churchill ad's. Lmao

I disagree. Floyd has based alot of his reputation on that '0' and protecting it is a big thing for him. If he loses his unbeaten record he loses a large portion of credibility imo.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

If Flloyd did lose to any boxer now it wouldn't matter, his legacy is cemented. He's getting on a bit now but talent and dedication keeps him going. Wouldn't be surprised if his hands went again after some of those shots on Mosleys big old head.

As for some of those Pacman comments on here.. there's an air of bitter Hatton fans about it. That fat bastard is now doing Churchill ad's. Lmao

No bitterness from me, hatton should never of been in the ring with either fighter, an obvious class above, fan power and potential earnings made each fight....... facts are though that pac, if you want to get to the bottom of the story is juiced up, i know exactly the prep of a fighter and the conditioning involved, also as leighton alludes to the carry of power through the divisions, its as clear as night is day.<br /><br />-- Sun May 02, 2010 4:50 pm --<br /><br />

I waited intentionally to read the reaction and only a couple of posters realized what they witnessed, and what only a select few know on here, Mayweather is without doubt the greatest Fighter of his generation, and in the top 3 of all time. Carron as usual covered his arse with 'i predicted mayweather', yeah with you covering your prediction with 'though wouldn't be surprised to see shane knock him out'...... bla bla bla, mosely caught him flush and would of took any other fighter out, he also punches harder than manny so what could pac do?
Adam Donnely give it up lad, all you ever do is slate the guy as either hand picking fighters or fighters ones over the hill, nobody has ever confused mosely like that , age had nothing to do with it, the result would of been the same 10 years ago.

If pac was unsure before that fight he will be within no doubt now that he cannot win that fight, never happen.

What you on about now? I made the prediction of a Floyd win on this thread last Monday or summat...And yes I said I wouldn't have been surprised to see Shane KO Floyd (lets face it, it was unbelievably close to happening in the 2nd). It isn't my fault if I'm not going to be surprised by something is it? so I'm not trying to 'cover my prediction' by saying that.

On the subject of Pac-Floyd, it's pretty obvious that neither guy will change their stance on the random testing issue, so sadly It's looking as if we're gonna be deprived of this fight. Floyd's said today that he could possibly fight Sergio Martinez, which I'd be ok with at Junior middle, Sergio's proved what he can do at that weight.
I'd prefer Floyd to fight Paul Williams (Who'll beat Cintron on Saturday) tbh. Williams is a more difficult fight that Pac in alot of ways, what with the size and weight advantage. Either way there aren't many elite fights left for Floyd or Manny at welter because between them they've cleaned the division out.

-- 02 May 2010, 15:43 --

If Flloyd did lose to any boxer now it wouldn't matter, his legacy is cemented. He's getting on a bit now but talent and dedication keeps him going. Wouldn't be surprised if his hands went again after some of those shots on Mosleys big old head.

As for some of those Pacman comments on here.. there's an air of bitter Hatton fans about it. That fat bastard is now doing Churchill ad's. Lmao

I disagree. Floyd has based alot of his reputation on that '0' and protecting it is a big thing for him. If he loses his unbeaten record he loses a large portion of credibility imo.

Williams as you say would be a extremely hard fight for floyd, for me though he'd yet again show another facet to his bow, which he undoubtedly did last night........... the pac fight i'm hoping will be eventually made and mayweather rightly takes his place as the greatest fighter of his generation.

 

[ono]

I waited intentionally to read the reaction and only a couple of posters realized what they witnessed, and what only a select few know on here, Mayweather is without doubt the greatest Fighter of his generation, and in the top 3 of all time. Carron as usual covered his arse with 'i predicted mayweather', yeah with you covering your prediction with 'though wouldn't be surprised to see shane knock him out'...... bla bla bla, mosely caught him flush and would of took any other fighter out, he also punches harder than manny so what could pac do?
Adam Donnely give it up lad, all you ever do is slate the guy as either hand picking fighters or fighters ones over the hill, nobody has ever confused mosely like that , age had nothing to do with it, the result would of been the same 10 years ago.

If pac was unsure before that fight he will be within no doubt now that he cannot win that fight, never happen.

-- Sun May 02, 2010 1:50 pm --

I think Pacquiao would have stopped that version of Shane Mosley last night to be honest, so I doubt Floyd's performance will strike the fear of God into him. It was no different to pretty much every other fight, except that he showed some serious guts and composure to survive one round where he was hurt big time.

Mosely catching pac like he did in the 2nd would of been lights out for him.......... and as i've stated pac doesn't bang as hard as mosely, its all on work rate and constant pressure, mayweather would simply outbox him, ware him down and genuinely believe a stoppage, pac would go looking for him and get caught.

Pac's power comes from guys walking onto his shots. Cotto and Hatton both did this - they both got floored whilst throwing their own shots. That's why his power has carried up. It's all circumstantial.

Mayweather is unlikely to walk onto anything thrown by Pac. Pac throws flurries but Floyd will walk him down like he walked Shane down. He'll put Pac on the back foot imo and he'll break him down and stop him imo.

And Clottey buzzed Floyd more than Mosely did last night ;-)

 

[Manchester1894]

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Even the experts get it wrong.

 

[bluebean]

I can see why Money wants blood tests and you cant knock him for those demands imagine if Pacman fights Money and beats him and then it is later found out he was on a preformance inhancer that would ruin boxing. Yet some boxing fans are quick to slate a clean fighter for avoiding Pacman when Pacman himself refused to do the tests. It is madness if you ask me get the bloods done and the get the fight on if Pacman knows he is going to fail the fight will never happen and Pacman imo will not go down as a All Time Great.

WRONG!
Pacman didnt refuse too have blood tests at all! it was the timing of the blood tests he refused. mayweather wanted blood tests the day of the fight, and in the week building up, where as pacman wanted the blood best a week prior. this is dues too that fact that having blood taken can have an adverse effect on the body, maybe pacman is effected by this while mayweather isnt, and therefore would have been an advantage too mayweather.

 

[mcfc_die_hard]

Mayweather is the best there is around these days. Paquao in his recent fight he fought clottey which was a piss easy win for him whereas Floyd fight sugar shane mossley where he could easily lose but manny played safe.

If Mayweather fights manny he will make a fool out of him aswell. hes too good for anyone

 

[mcfc_nick]

there is one reason and one reason only why manny will not take the blood test and thats not because he is taking drugs imo, its because he knows that he will get his ass handed to him if they fight

 

[Armaan]

I can see why Money wants blood tests and you cant knock him for those demands imagine if Pacman fights Money and beats him and then it is later found out he was on a preformance inhancer that would ruin boxing. Yet some boxing fans are quick to slate a clean fighter for avoiding Pacman when Pacman himself refused to do the tests. It is madness if you ask me get the bloods done and the get the fight on if Pacman knows he is going to fail the fight will never happen and Pacman imo will not go down as a All Time Great.

WRONG!
Pacman didnt refuse too have blood tests at all! it was the timing of the blood tests he refused. mayweather wanted blood tests the day of the fight, and in the week building up, where as pacman wanted the blood best a week prior. this is dues too that fact that having blood taken can have an adverse effect on the body, maybe pacman is effected by this while mayweather isnt, and therefore would have been an advantage too mayweather.

well your wrong there mate...... pacquiao wanted tests up until about 20 sumat days before the fight, not 1 week. If Pac is clean..... Take the tests! Up until then i will carry my doubts. Im tired of his lame excuses

 

[debevec]

Floyd will defeat Pacquiao if this fight ever occurs. Furthermore, Pacquiao is juiced up. Something is just not right, this video articulates the point very well.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6RB5jnO1L8[/youtube]

 

[ono]

http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,13275_6095282,00.html#yourviewcomments
Even the experts get it wrong.

They're not experts. They had Edwin Valero in their top 10 p4p list.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

I can see why Money wants blood tests and you cant knock him for those demands imagine if Pacman fights Money and beats him and then it is later found out he was on a preformance inhancer that would ruin boxing. Yet some boxing fans are quick to slate a clean fighter for avoiding Pacman when Pacman himself refused to do the tests. It is madness if you ask me get the bloods done and the get the fight on if Pacman knows he is going to fail the fight will never happen and Pacman imo will not go down as a All Time Great.

WRONG!
Pacman didnt refuse too have blood tests at all! it was the timing of the blood tests he refused. mayweather wanted blood tests the day of the fight, and in the week building up, where as pacman wanted the blood best a week prior. this is dues too that fact that having blood taken can have an adverse effect on the body, maybe pacman is effected by this while mayweather isnt, and therefore would have been an advantage too mayweather.

Very shortsighted of you lad, Pac's demands were a 25 day cooling period from the 1st withdrawal of blood, in essence creating a time frame to train on a wide variety of band substances. Don't be fooled by the whole charade mate, his entourage is such that no outside agencies can get near him anyway, and its about the 5th time of said this..........HE HAS TREVOR GRAHAM in his team, ffs that man has single handedly ruined athletics in the US with his promotion of P.E.D. Allegedly doesn't cut it with me, i know.

And Ono........ his transferal of power up the divisions isn't as easy as saying fighters walk onto his punches, the punch resistance of a fighter 5 weight divisions above pacs natural weight don't go down like bags of spuds in the way they have been. Even with that adage though floyd would outclass him, simply can't hit what isn't there.

 

[ono]

Well in that case i'd like you to point out which particular substances can enhance your punching power... :p

His power has looked so spectacular because he's caught certain fighters as they're in mid swing aswell, so it enhances the impact of the punch tenfold. Even against a severely weight-drained De La Hoya, Pac didn't really hurt him. He beat him up for 8 or so rounds, but it was an accumulation of punches that did the job, rather than one punch.

I remember Mayweather not really having the power to trouble Oscar at Light-middle yet, in the 5th round (I think), Mayweather lay on the ropes and countered as Oscar was throwing. He buckled Oscars' legs without even really properly setting himself. It was the action of De La Hoya that increased the power of the punch.

When Pacquiao has hurt and floored Cotto and Hatton, they've both been throwing punches at the time. Same with David Diaz at lightweight. When Pacquiao lands on guys who aren't throwing punches, his power diminishes, like it did vs Clottey (who does have a solid chin).

Furthermore, people go on about his jumps in weight classes, but they forget to mention that he turned pro at 16. Mayweather wasn't much heavier than Pac at 16. Infact he was practically the same weight.

I've studies Sports Nutrition, so i can see (i'm not saying you can't btw) how possible it is for Pacquiao to put on the weight and maintain his power. Jumping from around 110 to 140 over a period of 15 years isn't enough to make me overly suspicious, especially when that person is surrounded by a quality nutrition team, which wasn't really in place before Pacquiao moved to Roach's team. The gains he's made in size are extremely possible.

I'm not saying he isn't juicing, because only he and his camp know, but i'm adding balance to the argument that seems to just consist of 'he's juicing'. I just think he doesn't want to adhere to Mayweather's terms. Boxing is as much as a mental game and he probably feels that this is as big as an issue as the venue, ring size, type of gloves etc...

I don't think he wants to concede any ground, and he's willing to adhere to the Nevada state commissions drug testing policy, so i don't think it's that suspicious.

All the is irrelevant anyway. Mayweather would toy with him in the ring. It wouldn't even be that close. Pacquiao's output would be stifled and Mayweather is too hard a hitter (for pac) and too accurate.

 

[leighton]

There is no way Pac can beat random drug testing and thats the main reason the fight will not happen. As for nutrition yes it can help out but to the effects that it has in Pacman I am not too sure. Pacman doesnt help himself here and all of the boxing should have the tests that Money does. We all want to see the clean drug free fighters winning the world titles. Not the juiced up fighters anymore time for boxing to move with the times and bring in these tests for the big world title fights at least and that will clean the sport up for good. There would be no more juiced up fighters. He is only asking for a blood test that will go back what is it 2-3 months nothing else. There are other ways for testing for drugs as well be it hair from your head but I am not too sure it would be able to detect as much as the bloods does but it is time for boxing to clean up its act and sort the testing out once and for all.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Your right mate, it isn't inconcievable but highly unlikely, and again the suspicions in relation to graham being in his camp are at best laughable. From personal experiences mate, being a natural middleweight from 16 and still to this day the increase of 3 stone how ever you try to mask it would make me slower. And as for what drugs could improve his punching power...... I'm no expert though to dismiss there being any would be shortsighted.
I respect your opinion ono but largely disagree though our opinions of floyd are the same, he'd school manny all day long.