Measuring "BIG" clubs

United and Liverpool by far the biggest clubs, yes Liverpool havent won the league in the past 20 years but they have won plenty of trophies and have won the CL in the past 10 years.

Arsenal just below them.

Then I would have Villa, US, Chelsea, Spurs and Everton in the next group, All have big fanbases while us and Chelsea hadn't won a many trophies before our investment our current success imo makes us just as big as these clubs.

The next group is where we would stand if we hadnt been took over and thats with the likes of Newcastle, Sunderland, Leeds etc.
 
Simple! The biggest club in the world is the one you've just signed for and with whose fans your trying to ingratiate yourself (see Sturridge, rvp, smalling , young etc etc etc )
 
a big club is/has

a) a long consistent history of domestic success (United,Liverpool,Arsenal,Everton)
b) currently successful (United,City,Chelsea)
c) financial pulling power (Chelsea,City,United)
d)biggest/best supported club in their city/region (United,Arsenal,Liverpool,Newcastle,Villa)
e) best supported club internationally (United,Liverpool,Arsenal,Chelsea,City)
f) best historical attendances (United,Arsenal,Liverpool,Spurs followed by Everton,City,Villa,Newcastle)
g) consistently big away support (United,Arsenal,Spurs,Liverpool)
h) an impressive record at international level (Liverpool,United)
i) big stadium (United,Arsenal)
j) long term potential (City,United,Chelsea)
k) social media popularity/shirt sales - cringe (United,Arsenal,Chelsea,Liverpool,City)
l) big hardcore folowing (United,Arsenal,Liverpool,Spurs,Everton,Nwcastle,City)
m) big plastic following( United,Liverpool,Chelsea,Arsenal,City)
n) history of producing home grown players(West Ham,United,Arsenal,City,Everton,Liverpool)
o)contribution to local community - hard to measure because its subjective but I'll go for City,Newcastle,West Ham
p) x factor - United (Munich),Liverpool(domination of Europe)
 
greasedupdeafguy said:
United and Liverpool by far the biggest clubs, yes Liverpool havent won the league in the past 20 years but they have won plenty of trophies and have won the CL in the past 10 years.

Arsenal just below them.

Then I would have Villa, US, Chelsea, Spurs and Everton in the next group, All have big fanbases while us and Chelsea hadn't won a many trophies before our investment our current success imo makes us just as big as these clubs.

The next group is where we would stand if we hadnt been took over and thats with the likes of Newcastle, Sunderland, Leeds etc.
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except the rags and scousers won next to nowt before they splashed the cash to dominate so no difference between them and us either

we always felt bigger than most of the clubs you mention when I first started watching City and now we are back where we belong

there's more to be a ''big'' club than winning trophies but if that is used as the only measure then we are currently the biggest club in England seeing as we are the CHAMPIONS
 
So many ways you can look at it but the most common would be based on global brand recognition and history of trophies. In that respect we have a ways to go to join that list.
 
matty barton said:
a big club is/has

a) a long consistent history of domestic success (United,Liverpool,Arsenal,Everton)
b) currently successful (United,City,Chelsea)
c) financial pulling power (Chelsea,City,United)
d)biggest/best supported club in their city/region (United,Arsenal,Liverpool,Newcastle,Villa)
e) best supported club internationally (United,Liverpool,Arsenal,Chelsea,City)
f) best historical attendances (United,Arsenal,Liverpool,Spurs followed by Everton,City,Villa,Newcastle)
g) consistently big away support (United,Arsenal,Spurs,Liverpool)
h) an impressive record at international level (Liverpool,United)
i) big stadium (United,Arsenal)
j) long term potential (City,United,Chelsea)
k) social media popularity/shirt sales - cringe (United,Arsenal,Chelsea,Liverpool,City)
l) big hardcore folowing (United,Arsenal,Liverpool,Spurs,Everton,Nwcastle,City)
m) big plastic following( United,Liverpool,Chelsea,Arsenal,City)
n) history of producing home grown players(West Ham,United,Arsenal,City,Everton,Liverpool)
o)contribution to local community - hard to measure because its subjective but I'll go for City,Newcastle,West Ham
p) x factor - United (Munich),Liverpool(domination of Europe)
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A lot of fancy facts in that post.

It doesn't mention that a lot of us saw City beat Lincoln in the Third Division 4 -1 with a Dickov Hat Trick and an attendance of 27,000.

We have had a couple of threads recently about Leeds and piss poor support but it still stays over the 20,000 mark. I believe that if Liverpool or Newcastle or Villa fell as far as we did they wouldn't get the crowds.

Everton would though just to spite me.
 
onceabluealways said:
My take on this is that Now or Historically I have always looked at the clubs around Europe and considered the big clubs to be the ones winning trophies at the time.

think back to the 70 / 80s -

Germany - big clubs Borussia Munchen G.
French league - St Ettiene, Bordeux and Marseille

UK - Liverpool

So if you do the same now -

Germany - Bayern - Dortmund
France - PSG , Lyon


Italy remains quite constant - Milan clubs and Juve

So now in the UK there are 3 big clubs - Rags, Chelsea and city

Clubs like Liverpool will be seen as a big club and rightly so as they have been a massive club but at the moment they are just a well supported club trying to get back to where they once where
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Germany

Big clubs
Bayern München - no other

If you take more clubs it is not only Dortmund. Dortmund currently since 2 years might be there - but others have been on top more constantly the recent 10, 20 or 30 years. Dortmund had a spell in the 90s and the last 2 years - not constantly.

If you take Dortmund you have to take Schalke, too. Schalke has been second 4 times in the recent 12 years, has been in the European Competitions in every year since 2000. They were smart enough to win the Cup or be runner-up behind a Bundesliga Champion Bayern if they finished behind the European spots in the Bundesliga... ;)

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I am not really biased as it is just the question where you take the line for a big club - in Germany there is Bayern - then somewhen Dortmund and Schalke - and then the others following. Bayern is still far ahead - in about everything.

Dortmund is the club that Europe talks about the most recently because of the current success. But Schalke certainly was the club after Bayern that was constantly near Munich the most in the recent years. There are other clubs, too - but they do not have the size of the club, the fan base, the success etc. to be on a level with Schalke or Dortmund. Things can change in the next years and Dortmund can establish to close that gap to Bayern some more and maybe overtake Schalke by far (it looks at least like this if they can handle their success smarter this time than they did before) - but right now it is just like above mentioned.

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About Manchester City

Maybe the name big club is wrong - maybe it must be "established big club"

Your club is growing - it has current success and has everything to be on a good way to be successful in the future - so you cannot guarantee success only by money and you cannot guarantee that it is the EPL Championship every other year or the CL. There is competition. On a long time basis that could be - but it is to fast to predict and the CL e.g. is a trophy a lot of really good clubs are running after (including the club I cheer for and I saw them loosing 5 CL finals and only winning once since I can really remember).

I am 43 - and the first matches I really remember are from end of the 70s. Bayern has lost 82, 87, 99, 10 and 12 - and only won in 2001. There could even be more finals if Milan did not get that offside goal in 1990 or 1991. I do not know how often we only lost in the final stages to the team that won later on.
 
Ehhh, the whole thing about who is "bigger" is a question that is more a subject for discussion of the braying worldwide mass of 13 year-old scum "supporters."

I think this is how they validate their sad, pathetic, mercenary existences. They get to say crap like "WE have more Champions League trophies than you have League trophies." (And therefore I am better than you somehow.)

Yeah, fuck right off with that, ragboys. I don't care who is bigger. If anything, when I see someone in a rags shirt I assume them to be some soulless twat who would be sporting Barca gear if the scum went two years absent any silverware.
 
I would say that to be called a "big" club you need a fanbase with thousands of supporters from all over the UK and in particular London and Ireland. A big fanbase in Asia is also vital. You get this by winning things. That is when the little lad/lass of 7 or 8 yrs old choose their allegiances and will mostly want to be associated with winners. We are now beginning to pick up these supporters, as are Chelsea, and in 15 years will be classed as a big club.
But who cares if we are or not?!
 
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