Media bias against City

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I think the evidence of this season demonstrates you're wrong. I believe we prevented the established big 4 ossifying ad infinitum.

What evidence would that be? True, we've replaced Liverpool in the top four, but we've not played any direct role in the troubles at Utd and Chelsea. We're certainly not responsible for Leicester's success, or the performances of West Ham, Watford, Crystal Palace, Stoke or Southampton for that matter, who on their day, now seem able to beat anyone in the league.

Brendan is right, Premier League money is the engine of change, we've changed very little.
 
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What evidence would that be? True, we've replaced Liverpool in the top four, but we've not played any direct role in the troubles at Utd and Chelsea. We're certainly not responsible for Leicester's success, or the performances of West Ham, Watford, Crystal Palace, Stoke or Southampton for that matter, who on their day, now seem able to beat anyone in the league.

Brendan is right, Premier League money is the engine of change, we've changed very little.

Not sure about that.
We gate crashed the SKY top four in fairly spectacular fashion and their reaction demonstrated just how much we had upset the status quo.
 
Not sure about that.
We gate crashed the SKY top four in fairly spectacular fashion and their reaction demonstrated just how much we had upset the status quo.

So what? We gatecrashed the top four by replacing Liverpool and now? There's a new top four, just with us in it and not Liverpool, hardly revolutionary is it? As for "football is far better for it" I see no evidence.

There are things happening at Premier League level, this season is like no other, but not because of us, we're not driving it, there are other forces at work.

City are a well run club and our owners are top notch, but where we are innovative in our long term planning we are intensely conservative in our behaviour towards the existing football power structures. We want to succeed, which means they'll be some losers, but we want to be on the inside, top dog yes, but accepted.

Once the established order gets used to us not going away, they'll eventually come around, they'll have no choice and then they'll be a new boss (same as the old boss) with us at the top and we'll be hated for it by the likes of Norwich and Crystal Palace.

We 're not spearheading a revolution here, City fans are deluding themselves if they think we are. It's not enough simply to gatecrash a party to trash it, not if, after a while, you are the same as the other partygoers, only better.
 
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I take your point to an extent except that the very act of becoming the fox in the henhouse has broken up what had become a four team cartel which had lasted 20 years and which showed every sign of continuing indefinitely. That, in itself benefited English football in general.

I'd also argue that our win in May 2012 was one of the most dramatic moments in the history of the most popular sport in the world which, in turn, increased the value of the PL TV rights immeasurably to enable the rest of the teams to hang onto their best players and compete with MIlan etc and thus compete in the PL.

Secondly, you only have to have seen the infamous Arsenal letter to see the horror and panic we created in the PL establishment. That panic, I believe, has resulted in some seismic changes. Ferguson quit as soon as we became dominant, sacrificing the club's long-term benefit for that final league win to preserve his own reputation. Since then, they have become just another mid-table club opening up a CL place for anyone good enough to take advantage. That has encouraged other clubs who used to just go through the motions. Previously, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and the rags have only had to be mediocre to get into the CL, now two of those are in disarray mainly, I think, due to a City-induced fear of missing out on the CL.
 
Yes. I suppose I find this more embarrassing because I used to think us blues knew our football, etc. It's quite sad how soft some of us are.
Seriously; whether you agree or disagree with what is on this thread how can you be embarrassed by it?
 
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What evidence would that be? True, we've replaced Liverpool in the top four, but we've not played any direct role in the troubles at Utd and Chelsea. We're certainly not responsible for Leicester's success, or the performances of West Ham, Watford, Crystal Palace, Stoke or Southampton for that matter, who on their day, now seem able to beat anyone in the league.

Brendan is right, Premier League money is the engine of change, we've changed very little.
There are three reasons why our rise has leveled the playing field more than would otherwise be the case.

The first reason is that we have destabilised the established 'Big 4' in footballing terms, most especially united and Liverpool. You say we've not played a 'direct' role, which I partly disagree with, but it's a moot point. Our influence has made them behave differently, but more importantly has punished them for operating anachronistically, which I don't believe they would have been as severely if it wasn't for our influence and presence. We've created a level of chaos which has made them less impenetrable as footballing institutions. They've made bad decisions because we've been breathing down their neck, Van Persie being a case in point.

Secondly, we've made the Premier League 'product' discernibly more interesting, which in turn has imposed itself greatly on the new TV deals. The Premier League TV deal has leveled the paying field enormously within the top flight (although not in relation to the leagues below it, somewhat lamentably). It has closed the gap between the likes of Stoke and Everton and the ancien régime clubs. Moreover it has enabled clubs like Spurs and West Ham to be more bold with their stadium expansion plans, which in turn will act as a further leveler. There is no doubt in my mind that the 'product' would have been much less enticing had it been the same four clubs monopolising the top four places. Commercial inertia would have set in to a certain extent, and furthermore, levels of discontent among supporters of clubs outside that grouping would have been higher than is presently the case. As a consequence the Premier League would have been much less at ease with itself, which in turn would have diminished the league's intrinsic value. Simply, if the new TV deal wasn't as lucrative overall, the playing field would have been manifestly less even.

Thirdly, we have eroded the power base of those established clubs off the pitch as well. Who's to know whether they wouldn't have held the rest of the clubs to ransom in some way, like the Spanish pair did. That FFP letter is evidence of how far some of those clubs were prepared to go in terms of protectionism; united have form in recent years for trying to change the TV deal when Peter Kenyon was chairman, so although by definition this limb is more speculative, I believe it doesn't require a huge leap of imagination to conclude that without our presence the 'big 4' would have felt sufficiently emboldened to skew the TV deal increasingly in their favour, by increments, no doubt. It's certainly something they have form for over several decades.

In saying all this I don't believe that we have acted in a way that is remotely altruistic, or that in a crude, simplistic sense we've done much more than merely replaced Liverpool in an Animal Farm, 'two legs good, four legs better' kind of way, but you have to look beyond that and consider how the universe operates.

We've introduced a healthy level of chaos into a world that had become stultifyingly predictable. We've moved the pieces on the board, which has in turn enabled other clubs to profit. We've changed the landscape immensely; how can that not have impacted on clubs other than ourselves? That isn't how the world works. Look at the Scottish referendum and the impact that had on the outcome of the last general election. Or the influence that punk rock had on the wider British music scene. You cannot look at supervening events in isolation; their reach and scope extends well beyond what is immediately apparent.

Just because what you see this season is a by-product of our influence, rather than something that was intended, doesn't make that influence any less germane.





Edit: I should add that a further by-product of the new TV deal is that it has made qualifying for the Champions League less of a game changer than hitherto . Under previous deals, the thirty million quid clubs got for finishing in the top four acted as cushion in the form of a self-perpetuating cartel, as that sum meant those four clubs could easily keep the rest at arm's length in terms of player recruitment etc.. The gap was unbridgeable. The new Sky deal has significantly diluted that advantage. In actual fact, in a very real sense, the 'Sky 4' had a vested interest in suppressing the domestic TV deal to a certain extent, especially given that even as it previously stood it was still significantly more lucrative than any other in word football. In its previous format it gave them a simultaneous advantage over both their domestic and European rivals, which is not so profoundly the case with the new deal.
 
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There are three reasons why our rise has leveled the playing field more than would otherwise be the case.

The first reason is that we have destabilised the established 'Big 4' in footballing terms, most especially united and Liverpool. You say we've not played a 'direct' role, which I partly disagree with, but it's a moot point. Our influence has made them behave differently, but more importantly has punished them for operating anachronistically, which I don't believe they would have been as severely if it wasn't for our influence and presence. We've created a level of chaos which has made them less impenetrable as footballing institutions. They've made bad decisions because we've been breathing down their neck, Van Persie being a case in point.

Secondly, we've made the Premier League 'product' discernibly more interesting, which in turn has imposed itself greatly on the new TV deals. The Premier League TV deal has leveled the paying field enormously within the top flight (although not in relation to the leagues below it, somewhat lamentably). It has closed the gap between the likes of Stoke and Everton and the ancien régime clubs. Moreover it has enabled clubs like Spurs and West Ham to be more bold with their stadium expansion plans, which in turn will act as a further leveler. There is no doubt in my mind that the 'product' would have been much less enticing had it been the same four clubs monopolising the top four places. Commercial inertia would have set in to a certain extent, and furthermore, levels of discontent among supporters of clubs outside that grouping would have been higher than is presently the case. As a consequence the Premier League would have been much less at ease with itself, which in turn would have diminished the league's intrinsic value. Simply, if the new TV deal wasn't as lucrative overall, the playing field would have been manifestly less even.

Thirdly, we have eroded the power base of those established clubs off the pitch as well. Who's to know whether they wouldn't have held the rest of the clubs to ransom in some way, like the Spanish pair did. That FFP letter is evidence of how far some of those clubs were prepared to go in terms of protectionism; united have form in recent years for trying to change the TV deal when Peter Kenyon was chairman, so although by definition this limb is more speculative, I believe it doesn't require a huge leap of imagination to conclude that without our presence the 'big 4' would have felt sufficiently emboldened to skew the TV deal increasingly in their favour, by increments, no doubt. It's certainly something they have form for over several decades.

In saying all this I don't believe that we have acted in a way that is remotely altruistic, or that in a crude, simplistic sense we've done much more than merely replaced Liverpool in an Animal Farm, 'two legs good, four legs better' kind of way, but you have to look beyond that and consider how the universe operates.

We've introduced a healthy level of chaos into a world that had become stultifyingly predictable. We've moved the pieces on the board, which has in turn enabled other clubs to profit. We've changed the landscape immensely; how can that not have impacted on clubs other than ourselves? That isn't how the world works. Look at the Scottish referendum and the impact that had on the outcome of the last general election. Or the influence that punk rock had on the wider British music scene. You cannot look at supervening events in isolation; their reach and scope extends well beyond what is immediately apparent.

Just because what you see this season is a by-product of our influence, rather than something that was intended, doesn't make that influence any less germane.
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There are three reasons why our rise has leveled the playing field more than would otherwise be the case.

The first reason is that we have destabilised the established 'Big 4' in footballing terms, most especially united and Liverpool. You say we've not played a 'direct' role, which I partly disagree with, but it's a moot point. Our influence has made them behave differently, but more importantly has punished them for operating anachronistically, which I don't believe they would have been as severely if it wasn't for our influence and presence. We've created a level of chaos which has made them less impenetrable as footballing institutions. They've made bad decisions because we've been breathing down their neck, Van Persie being a case in point.

Secondly, we've made the Premier League 'product' discernibly more interesting, which in turn has imposed itself greatly on the new TV deals. The Premier League TV deal has leveled the paying field enormously within the top flight (although not in relation to the leagues below it, somewhat lamentably). It has closed the gap between the likes of Stoke and Everton and the ancien régime clubs. Moreover it has enabled clubs like Spurs and West Ham to be more bold with their stadium expansion plans, which in turn will act as a further leveler. There is no doubt in my mind that the 'product' would have been much less enticing had it been the same four clubs monopolising the top four places. Commercial inertia would have set in to a certain extent, and furthermore, levels of discontent among supporters of clubs outside that grouping would have been higher than is presently the case. As a consequence the Premier League would have been much less at ease with itself, which in turn would have diminished the league's intrinsic value. Simply, if the new TV deal wasn't as lucrative overall, the playing field would have been manifestly less even.

Thirdly, we have eroded the power base of those established clubs off the pitch as well. Who's to know whether they wouldn't have held the rest of the clubs to ransom in some way, like the Spanish pair did. That FFP letter is evidence of how far some of those clubs were prepared to go in terms of protectionism; united have form in recent years for trying to change the TV deal when Peter Kenyon was chairman, so although by definition this limb is more speculative, I believe it doesn't require a huge leap of imagination to conclude that without our presence the 'big 4' would have felt sufficiently emboldened to skew the TV deal increasingly in their favour, by increments, no doubt. It's certainly something they have form for over several decades.

In saying all this I don't believe that we have acted in a way that is remotely altruistic, or that in a crude, simplistic sense we've done much more than merely replaced Liverpool in an Animal Farm, 'two legs good, four legs better' kind of way, but you have to look beyond that and consider how the universe operates.

We've introduced a healthy level of chaos into a world that had become stultifyingly predictable. We've moved the pieces on the board, which has in turn enabled other clubs to profit. We've changed the landscape immensely; how can that not have impacted on clubs other than ourselves? That isn't how the world works. Look at the Scottish referendum and the impact that had on the outcome of the last general election. Or the influence that punk rock had on the wider British music scene. You cannot look at supervening events in isolation; their reach and scope extends well beyond what is immediately apparent.

Just because what you see this season is a by-product of our influence, rather than something that was intended, doesn't make that influence any less germane.

You make some very good points, Mr. Davies-Moustache.
My only addition to your argument would be much harder to quantify and might be considered wishy-washy or dare I say it, soft, in some quarters.
I would suggest that we've given every other fan (and director) of every other half-cocked club that most precious of all commodities, hope.
They've gotta be thinking, if it can happen to perennial fuck-ups like that lot...
Of course, the more calculated assessment would be that we have actually lessened their chances of a knight in shining armour galloping into their boardroom (especially now that we've snagged big Chinese investment too) but that's not the way football supporters dream.
 
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