Media discussion - 2025/26

Micky Blue said:
It’s sickening.
Remember Marc Vivienne Foe.
That affected our players and Keegan.
I heard Keegan was in bits over it and couldn’t talk about it publicly.
We (to my knowledge and memory) never made the excuse.

Of course Jotas death will affect his friends and team mates. But using it as a de facto excuse is beyond sickening.

There are numerous issues with Liverpool this season which are not due to losing Jota.

Dublin is just a fucking buffoon who knows extremely little, fuck knows why the BBC love him so much.
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It's not as nearly far-fetched as some are making it out to be.

I mentioned this in the summer having seen the exact same thing in ice hockey back in the 23/24 season.

It doesn't negate them just being shit at times but it's not like there's no merit to it whatsoever.

Also, we were absolute piss in 03/04. Yes our signings were poor but I wouldn't be surprised if Foe passing was part of it. It's not a binary issue, sometimes multiple issues can factor in. It's perfectly reasonable that this has affected some of their players.
 

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jamielowndes said:
It's not as nearly far-fetched as some are making it out to be.

I mentioned this in the summer having seen the exact same thing in ice hockey back in the 23/24 season.

It doesn't negate them just being shit at times but it's not like there's no merit to it whatsoever.

Also, we were absolute piss in 03/04. Yes our signings were poor but I wouldn't be surprised if Foe passing was part of it. It's not a binary issue, sometimes multiple issues can factor in. It's perfectly reasonable that this has affected some of their players.
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Same as you, I called this happening before the season started. It was bound to have an effect on them.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
Same as you, I called this happening before the season started. It was bound to have an effect on them.
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Perhaps that’s true but equally tragedy can have a galvanising effect. United went to the FA Cup final after Munich. Liverpool recovered on the field very quickly after Hillsborough. Everyone reacts differently to grief.
 
M12Blue said:
Liverpools form about impact mentally of Jotas death on the team- Dion Dublin on MOTD. WTAF
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I was disgusted at that comment. Thousands of people lose someone, maybe their dearly beloved, a sister, brother, child, parent but you still have to turn up for work and yes, you grieve. You never stop grieving, it comes in waves. But that comment.
 
Would be nice if the media gave our club any credit once in a while.

I see it's seeping into the coverage of our women's team now.

"Of course City should be top they haven't got any European football this season"

Yawn.

If Khaldoon announced he was giving every city fan registered in Manchester 5 grand as a thank you for supporting the club they'd spin it as a bribe to ignore the 115.
 
TinFoilHat said:
Would be nice if the media gave our club any credit once in a while.

I see it's seeping into the coverage of our women's team now.

"Of course City should be top they haven't got any European football this season"

Yawn.

If Khaldoon announced he was giving every city fan registered in Manchester 5 grand as a thank you for supporting the club they'd spin it as a bribe to ignore the 115.
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Then surely the rags should be top of the Prem if that's the case
 
jamielowndes said:
It's not as nearly far-fetched as some are making it out to be.

I mentioned this in the summer having seen the exact same thing in ice hockey back in the 23/24 season.

It doesn't negate them just being shit at times but it's not like there's no merit to it whatsoever.

Also, we were absolute piss in 03/04. Yes our signings were poor but I wouldn't be surprised if Foe passing was part of it. It's not a binary issue, sometimes multiple issues can factor in. It's perfectly reasonable that this has affected some of their players.
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You could be right.
I genuinely don’t know of the affect it’s had but it clearly would have had an effect.

Honestly, I feel for his former teammates.
As I stated I had heard it had affected Keegan a lot when Foe died.
I’m not blaming the Liverpool players.
I’ve not heard them speak since the tragedy.

What I’m saying is it’s lazy pundits making excuses for Liverpool (again this isn’t liverpools fault, I’m not blaming them and I’ve not heard the excuse from the club)
Isak, Wirtz, kerkez have been poor but they weren’t Jotas teammates, granted I don’t know if they knew him.

Look I could be wrong but to me Dublin is oversimplifying and making a lazy assumption.
To me it doesn’t sit right what Dublin said, it feels like he and some other media outlets are exploiting Jotas death. Indexing it to Liverpool being shit just doesn’t feel right.
To me it seems there are fundamental footballing issues driving Liverpools poor form.

Like someone pointed out, the media werent saying this when Liverpool won the first 5 games.


The ice hockey one, I can’t say I know it well. But I believe it’s the one where the player died on the ice after his throat was cut with a skate.
I’m not saying one tragedy is worse than another but to see a teammate die on the ice must be harrowing. Especially as it was playing the sport.
I feel that may have a much deeper psychological effect.
But again I’m not a psychiatrist, I don’t know what any of the teammates went through.
It’s a personal opinion.

At the end of the day what happened to Diogo and his brother was horrific and immensely sad, I really hope his loved ones and former colleagues are coping. I think most of us know what it’s like to lose someone too young and how difficult it is to take.

I get your point, but I still think Dublin is a buffoon.
 
Micky Blue said:
You could be right.
I genuinely don’t know of the affect it’s had but it clearly would have had an effect.

Honestly, I feel for his former teammates.
As I stated I had heard it had affected Keegan a lot when Foe died.
I’m not blaming the Liverpool players.
I’ve not heard them speak since the tragedy.

What I’m saying is it’s lazy pundits making excuses for Liverpool (again this isn’t liverpools fault, I’m not blaming them and I’ve not heard the excuse from the club)
Isak, Wirtz, kerkez have been poor but they weren’t Jotas teammates, granted I don’t know if they knew him.

Look I could be wrong but to me Dublin is oversimplifying and making a lazy assumption.
To me it doesn’t sit right what Dublin said, it feels like he and some other media outlets are exploiting Jotas death. Indexing it to Liverpool being shit just doesn’t feel right.
To me it seems there are fundamental footballing issues driving Liverpools poor form.

Like someone pointed out, the media werent saying this when Liverpool won the first 5 games.


The ice hockey one, I can’t say I know it well. But I believe it’s the one where the player died on the ice after his throat was cut with a skate.
I’m not saying one tragedy is worse than another but to see a teammate die on the ice must be harrowing. Especially as it was playing the sport.
I feel that may have a much deeper psychological effect.
But again I’m not a psychiatrist, I don’t know what any of the teammates went through.
It’s a personal opinion.

At the end of the day what happened to Diogo and his brother was horrific and immensely sad, I really hope his loved ones and former colleagues are coping. I think most of us know what it’s like to lose someone too young and how difficult it is to take.

I get your point, but I still think Dublin is a buffoon.
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Defintion of a buffoon - "a ridiculous but amusing clown"

sorry but when has he ever been amusing ?
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
Defintion of a buffoon - "a ridiculous but amusing clown"

sorry but when has he ever been amusing ?
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Good point.
I’m just trying to tone down my language as I’ve got a toddler who is copying what we say.
So I’m trying new insults wich aren’t swearing.
I knowy toddler won’t ready this but trying to get out of the habit.
 
jamielowndes said:
It's not as nearly far-fetched as some are making it out to be.

I mentioned this in the summer having seen the exact same thing in ice hockey back in the 23/24 season.

It doesn't negate them just being shit at times but it's not like there's no merit to it whatsoever.

Also, we were absolute piss in 03/04. Yes our signings were poor but I wouldn't be surprised if Foe passing was part of it. It's not a binary issue, sometimes multiple issues can factor in. It's perfectly reasonable that this has affected some of their players.
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I had a chat about this with a Liverpool-supporting friend yesterday. He made the comparison that his own brother died suddenly and he had to go back to work a few days after the funeral. Equally, my own sister died unexpectedly and I too had to put my shoulder to the wheel.
Jota's death was terribly sad. It had to hurt his frirnds and colleagues. And if my experience and that of everybody else I know who has suffered something similar is typical, it probably always will hurt them. I wouldn't wish it on any young family or workplace but it happens - and life goes on.
Using a young man's passing as an excuse for not doing your job - your incredibly well paid job, I might add - simply doesn't wash.
 
jamielowndes said:
It's not as nearly far-fetched as some are making it out to be.

I mentioned this in the summer having seen the exact same thing in ice hockey back in the 23/24 season.

It doesn't negate them just being shit at times but it's not like there's no merit to it whatsoever.

Also, we were absolute piss in 03/04. Yes our signings were poor but I wouldn't be surprised if Foe passing was part of it. It's not a binary issue, sometimes multiple issues can factor in. It's perfectly reasonable that this has affected some of their players.
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Can there be a delayed reaction to this grief? As someone already pointed out, they started the season with five straight wins.

The players who aren't performing now are a significant collection of new signings, who had no connection with Jota. Also a number of players who are over the hill and careering fast down the other side of it.

A dip in Dipper form was inevitable at some point, and maybe Slot isn't a Shankley / Paisley / Dalglish / Klopp hybridisation they thought he was.

I'm not diminishing the impact of the loss of Jota entirely, but I do think it is being overplayed. The affected players will have had all the necessary grief counselling, but the club has failed certain players by not calling in Help the Aged.
 
I think they have just become over reliant on the form of ageing players just as we did with kdb and Spanish Dave and it's now biting them on the arse.
The price tags of their very promising young signings are also probably hanging round their necks like millstones. Just goes to show - they should probably hack the scouting database of a better run club next time they want to do a squad rebuild...
 
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