Media Thread 2017/18

[Marvin]

Bossed?
Only game in two years we've not had a shot on goal.

Jesus scored if you remember

 

[The blue phantom]

Jesus scored if you remember

Fair enough. Granted we had two bad calls in those two legs. I've just read a lot of post that said we were unlucky not to go through because of the officials.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

Fair enough. Granted we had two bad calls in those two legs. I've just read a lot of post that said we were unlucky not to go through because of the officials.

We had some iffy decisions go against us, in both legs. But the biggest culprit was ourselves, yet again.
That 1st half defensive display at Anfield, was a fucking mess. Saying that goals DO change games and
we was robbed in the fact we did score and they were chalked off, incorrectly. It's not like we might have scored etc.

 

[franksinatra]

Possible misunderstanding. I don't think there was anything wrong in picking Laporte. I find it strange that he showed Salah onto his left foot (strange as in it's a big mistake, rather than anything more sinister).

I never wrote it on here but reallt hoped Danilo to play there knowing Salah likes to cut inside and Danilo is naturally right footed.

Too big an ask for Laporte when he was hardly a regular at that time.

 

[squirtyflower]

I never wrote it on here but reallt hoped Danilo to play there knowing Salah likes to cut inside and Danilo is naturally right footed.

Too big an ask for Laporte when he was hardly a regular at that time.

I'd also have gone with Danilo but also Bernardo to support him.

 

[franksinatra]

I'd also have gone with Danilo but also Bernardo to support him.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but Silva at the time was in good form also and would have offered us more offensively to occupy the full back rather than Gundogan. We lost the initative for me and Gundogan neither helped us control posession of the ball or influenced the game.

 

[inchy14]

Bossed?
Only game in two years we've not had a shot on goal.

Apart from Jesus' 'goal' you mean?

 

[Bozzie]

We had some iffy decisions go against us, in both legs. But the biggest culprit was ourselves, yet again.
That 1st half defensive display at Anfield, was a fucking mess. Saying that goals DO change games and
we was robbed in the fact we did score and they were chalked off, incorrectly. It's not like we might have scored etc.

As much as anything it was the timing of those decisions that was significant: first goal at Anfield; denied a crucial away goal and then denied a second at the Etihad to put us just one behind. That would have made a massive difference in the way both teams felt going in (we wouldn't have had Peo sent off) and how they approached the second half.

 

[urban genie]

My ears may be decieving me but bbc breakfast have just been talking about the womens FA cup final and they said
"2 years ago the final got nearly 33000 and this year 40000 tickets are sold, that's amazing"

2 years ago? Did our final last year not happen when 35000 attended

 

[squirtyflower]

As much as anything it was the timing of those decisions that was significant: first goal at Anfield; denied a crucial away goal and then denied a second at the Etihad to put us just one behind. That would have made a massive difference in the way both teams felt going in (we wouldn't have had Peo sent off) and how they approached the second half.

Had we have rightfully been given both 'offside' goals we would have been in front at half time at the Etihad and they would have had to change their only game plan.

Football is fixed.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Fair enough. Granted we had two bad calls in those two legs. I've just read a lot of post that said we were unlucky not to go through because of the officials.

We were unlucky not to go through, because of the officials.

Teams are allowed to have a shit half, in the Champions League & still go through. Most who win it, have more than that go wrong.

We had a shit half & would have got away with it, just like Real madrid have just done, more than once, if the officials had given the correct decisions.

 

[Bozzie]

Had we have rightfully been given both 'offside' goals we would have been in front at half time at the Etihad and they would have had to change their only game plan.

Football is fixed.

I still, maybe naively, can't bring myself to say it's 'fixed'. There just seems too many variables, too many people who would have to be complicit (not just individually, but huge organisations PGMOL, FIFA, UEFA etc) that make it a guessing game. In the Man U game, Atkinson denied us a clear penalty, everyone knew it and ultimately it, and his decision, affected the result. But we were two up at half time and it should have been at least four, not many people expected a turn round given the way each team had performed and so, at what stage does Atkinson decide to influence the result and who tells him too? There should have been no opportunity for him to do that because we should have been four up after 45 minutes. Against that, I get why people think it is fixed and I've gone from a fully paid up member of the 'what happens on the pitch ends on the pitch' to an advocate of VAR because the more transparent the process the better.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

I still, maybe naively, can't bring myself to say it's 'fixed'. There just seems too many variables, too many people who would have to be complicit (not just individually, but huge organisations PGMOL, FIFA, UEFA etc) that make it a guessing game. In the Man U game, Atkinson denied us a clear penalty, everyone knew it and ultimately it, and his decision, affected the result. But we were two up at half time and it should have been at least four, not many people expected a turn round given the way each team had performed and so, at what stage does Atkinson decide to influence the result and who tells him too? There should have been no opportunity for him to do that because we should have been four up after 45 minutes. Against that, I get why people think it is fixed and I've gone from a fully paid up member of the 'what happens on the pitch ends on the pitch' to an advocate of VAR because the more transparent the process the better.

Re 'Variables' I don't think all the iffy stuff is pulling the same way.

There are numerous different/strange goings on that overall is slanted in favour /against certain clubs.

Think of it as a pool table with a slight slope towards a pocket caused by lots of people putting one bit of card under one of the other 5 legs...in time it adds up.

 

[Norbiton]

Only saw the second half last night and was surprised to hear the commentators telling me how much on top Arsenal were when my eyes were telling me Griezman and Costa looked like scoring every time AM came forward. Arsenal must have been brilliant in the first half and unlucky to concede, I thought. Then Arsenal had a long shot turned round the post and the stats revealed this was their second goal attempt and theiyfirst (and it transpired only) shot on target

 

[SWP's back]

Bossed?
Only game in two years we've not had a shot on goal.

Apart from the wrongly disallowed goal you mean?

 

[cibaman]

I still, maybe naively, can't bring myself to say it's 'fixed'. There just seems too many variables, too many people who would have to be complicit (not just individually, but huge organisations PGMOL, FIFA, UEFA etc) that make it a guessing game. In the Man U game, Atkinson denied us a clear penalty, everyone knew it and ultimately it, and his decision, affected the result. But we were two up at half time and it should have been at least four, not many people expected a turn round given the way each team had performed and so, at what stage does Atkinson decide to influence the result and who tells him too? There should have been no opportunity for him to do that because we should have been four up after 45 minutes. Against that, I get why people think it is fixed and I've gone from a fully paid up member of the 'what happens on the pitch ends on the pitch' to an advocate of VAR because the more transparent the process the better.

I think refs, being human, are biased. Sometimes that's unconscious bias, other times less so. I think a large number of refs are biased against Sterling. And refs are influenced by whats gone before when they've reffed certain players. According to Gary Neville, Feguson invited Graham Poll to speak to their players after he had retired. Apparently the players were gobsmarked when Poll told them that refs always remembered previous bad behaviour by players and it influenced their decisions.

I think a small number of refs are bent, have accepted bribes. And obviously players have admitted to fixing matches. But when I go to a game I generally dont worry that the game might be fixed. I have a low opinon of a few refs, expect others to make honest mistakes and I dont expect a penalty to awarded if Raheem is scythed down in the penalty area. But thats not the same as the match being fixed.

 

[Bert Trautmanns Helemet]

I think refs, being human, are biased. Sometimes that's unconscious bias, other times less so. I think a large number of refs are biased against Sterling. And refs are influenced by whats gone before when they've reffed certain players. According to Gary Neville, Feguson invited Graham Poll to speak to their players after he had retired. Apparently the players were gobsmarked when Poll told them that refs always remembered previous bad behaviour by players and it influenced their decisions.

I think a small number of refs are bent, have accepted bribes. And obviously players have admitted to fixing matches. But when I go to a game I generally dont worry that the game might be fixed. I have a low opinon of a few refs, expect others to make honest mistakes and I dont expect a penalty to awarded if Raheem is scythed down in the penalty area. But thats not the same as the match being fixed.

But it is consciously & knowingly altering the potential outcome of the game. Therefore it is fixed.

 

[SWP's back]

Fair enough. Granted we had two bad calls in those two legs. I've just read a lot of post that said we were unlucky not to go through because of the officials.

3. Their first goal (when we were on top of Anfield) was also offside. That’s what started the whole thing.

VAR will hopefully come in with the whole of Italy making a song and dance to uefa.

 

[argyle]

Only saw the second half last night and was surprised to hear the commentators telling me how much on top Arsenal were when my eyes were telling me Griezman and Costa looked like scoring every time AM came forward. Arsenal must have been brilliant in the first half and unlucky to concede, I thought. Then Arsenal had a long shot turned round the post and the stats revealed this was their second goal attempt and theiyfirst (and it transpired only) shot on target

Was that BT?

If so they have form for that. When the rags drew 0-0 away to Seville after playing terribly they said "Brilliant, it's advantage Utd."

They praise the rags, Liverpool etc and want them to win. They don't really do it to us though.

 

[The blue phantom]

3. Their first goal (when we were on top of Anfield) was also offside. That’s what started the whole thing.

VAR will hopefully come in with the whole of Italy making a song and dance to uefa.

I think my overall assessment was I didn't think we deserved to go through. Others have said we did. Even without the decisions they thought we played well which I find pretty strange. I guess it could of been different had the goals not been chalked off, who knows.