Media Thread 2017/18

[MillionMilesAway]

Shearer:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44105835

 

[MillionMilesAway]

How does it increase from this mate?

It's a no brainer. Only give access to those who play ball. Like it or not, the dippers and rags only get this treatment because they would happily remove journalists and papers if they were seen to be disrespectful. We don't take this approach, so we're the equivalent of Edin Dzeko, the person who won't throw a strop when being subbed so always the first one to be used as deemed necessary.

We're sat here a day after re-writing the record books and almost every paper is covering the 4th placed team. Why? Because if they didn't the dippers media would tear them a new one. Ours? Not so much.

I think this is approaching it as if the club are the only source for the writing.

The media can quite happily live without a direct line to City - we have to let them into press conferences, we announce signings, matches are televised - so much of it is freely available to them. Restricting what we give them will not serve any purpose at this stage, given our profile to their readership. Primarily online, they're driven by advertisers and thus clicks.

It's fine if you know that you command a huge percentage of their click providers, but we don't.

 

[SamBlue]

Cascarino: “it was a tough call putting Hendo in midfield. There have been a number of other candidates. David Silva went missing to Spain too often but Can, Milner and Wijnaldon, Ox and Lallana could all have got the spot. For me Zaha clinched it in those first 9 games”

Hmmm... a few stats, not that we'd let the facts get in the way of a shite story.

Who would you have play for you?

Name Games Played Goals Assists Minutes

David Silva 29 9 11 2,437

Milner 32 0 3 1,763

Lallana 12 0 0 236

Can 26 3 5 2,094

Wijnaldon 33 1 2 2,837

Oxlade Chamberlain 35 3 7 1,725

What a grade "A" prick Cascarino is. Silva scored more goals in the Premier League this season than the other 5 added together!

He played more minutes than all except Wijnaldon.

What planet is this zombie on? I though they were there to provide an insight to the game - if this is the case he is clearly as blind as a bat!

I've just seen this 5 minutes ago, I don't mind Cascarino actually, he's been quite complimentary about us - rightly so - but I'll need to reconsider after this atrocity of punditry.

 

[waspish]

I think this is approaching it as if the club are the only source for the writing.

The media can quite happily live without a direct line to City - we have to let them into press conferences, we announce signings, matches are televised - so much of it is freely available to them. Restricting what we give them will not serve any purpose at this stage, given our profile to their readership. Primarily online, they're driven by advertisers and thus clicks.

It's fine if you know that you command a huge percentage of their click providers, but we don't.

And that is why banning the media won’t work the media need to get there money in somehow And it’s about fake news sucking up to the clubs that generate the most clicks and taking the piss out of us.

 

[Silva_Spell]

Cascarino: “it was a tough call putting Hendo in midfield. There have been a number of other candidates. David Silva went missing to Spain too often but Can, Milner and Wijnaldon, Ox and Lallana could all have got the spot. For me Zaha clinched it in those first 9 games”

Hmmm... a few stats, not that we'd let the facts get in the way of a shite story.

Who would you have play for you?

Name Games Played Goals Assists Minutes

David Silva 29 9 11 2,437

Milner 32 0 3 1,763

Lallana 12 0 0 236

Can 26 3 5 2,094

Wijnaldon 33 1 2 2,837

Oxlade Chamberlain 35 3 7 1,725

What a grade "A" prick Cascarino is. Silva scored more goals in the Premier League this season than the other 5 added together!

He played more minutes than all except Wijnaldon.

What planet is this zombie on? I though they were there to provide an insight to the game - if this is the case he is clearly as blind as a bat!

That quote is fake, a pisstake to show how stupid Cascarino is

 

[Stockport mackem]

This was on the BBC website this morning.... a classic way of manipulating data

Points Cost per point Major trophies in the last 2 yrs
Net Spend. Points. Cost per point. Trophies
Pep Guardiola Manchester City £360.04m 175 £2.06m 2 (2017-18 Premier League & League Cup)

Jose Mourinho Manchester United £261.67m. 147 £1.78m 2 (2016-17 League Cup & Europa League, in 2017-18 FA Cup final)

Arsene Wenger Arsenal £84.01m 135 £622,296 1 (2016-17 FA Cup)

Antonio Conte Chelsea £73.46m 163. £450,674 1 (2016-17 Premier League, in 2017-18 FA Cup final)

Mauricio Pochettino Tottenham £33.06m 160 £206,625 0

Jurgen Klopp Liverpool -£720,000 148. £0. 0


Now..... had they only chosen this 1 season.......

Points Cost per point Major trophies in the last 1 yr
Net Spend. Points. Cost per point. Trophies
Pep Guardiola Manchester City £193m 100 £1.93m 2 (2017-18 Premier League & League Cup)

Jose Mourinho Manchester United £163m. 81 £2.01m 0

Arsene Wenger Arsenal £7.6m 63 £120,635 0

Antonio Conte Chelsea £68.1m 70 £972,857 0

Mauricio Pochettino Tottenham £14.8m 77 £192,208 0

Jurgen Klopp Liverpool £10m. 75. £133,333 0

Tells a different story......obviously one the media does not want to disclose....
Apologies it îs misaligned somewhat

 

[dickie davies]

This was on the BBC website this morning.... a classic way of manipulating data

Points Cost per point Major trophies in the last 2 yrs
Net Spend. Points. Cost per point. Trophies
Pep Guardiola Manchester City £360.04m 175 £2.06m 2 (2017-18 Premier League & League Cup)

Jose Mourinho Manchester United £261.67m. 147 £1.78m 2 (2016-17 League Cup & Europa League, in 2017-18 FA Cup final)

Arsene Wenger Arsenal £84.01m 135 £622,296 1 (2016-17 FA Cup)

Antonio Conte Chelsea £73.46m 163. £450,674 1 (2016-17 Premier League, in 2017-18 FA Cup final)

Mauricio Pochettino Tottenham £33.06m 160 £206,625 0

Jurgen Klopp Liverpool -£720,000 148. £0. 0


Now..... had they only chosen this 1 season.......

Points Cost per point Major trophies in the last 1 yr
Net Spend. Points. Cost per point. Trophies
Pep Guardiola Manchester City £193m 100 £1.93m 2 (2017-18 Premier League & League Cup)

Jose Mourinho Manchester United £163m. 81 £2.01m 0

Arsene Wenger Arsenal £7.6m 63 £120,635 0

Antonio Conte Chelsea £68.1m 70 £972,857 0

Mauricio Pochettino Tottenham £14.8m 77 £192,208 0

Jurgen Klopp Liverpool £10m. 75. £133,333 0

Tells a different story......obviously one the media does not want to disclose....

Net spend is for losers who compete in the "shareholder dividend trophy"

Our net spend will always be high because we don't sell our best players

 

[Len Rum]

@franksinatra
@Didsbury Dave
Where are u?
Let's be 'avin u!
We need to hear u on the non existent media coverage the Centurions are getting compared to our rivals who are making all the headlines.

 

[davek1808]

Let the fuckers say what they like at the end of the day we've just had the greatest league campaign in the history of English football with a nice shiny cup thrown in for good measure,happy,happy days!

 

[Bert Trautmanns Helemet]

This was on the BBC website this morning.... a classic way of manipulating data

Points Cost per point Major trophies in the last 2 yrs
Net Spend. Points. Cost per point. Trophies
Pep Guardiola Manchester City £360.04m 175 £2.06m 2 (2017-18 Premier League & League Cup)

Jose Mourinho Manchester United £261.67m. 147 £1.78m 2 (2016-17 League Cup & Europa League, in 2017-18 FA Cup final)

Arsene Wenger Arsenal £84.01m 135 £622,296 1 (2016-17 FA Cup)

Antonio Conte Chelsea £73.46m 163. £450,674 1 (2016-17 Premier League, in 2017-18 FA Cup final)

Mauricio Pochettino Tottenham £33.06m 160 £206,625 0

Jurgen Klopp Liverpool -£720,000 148. £0. 0


Now..... had they only chosen this 1 season.......

Points Cost per point Major trophies in the last 1 yr
Net Spend. Points. Cost per point. Trophies
Pep Guardiola Manchester City £193m 100 £1.93m 2 (2017-18 Premier League & League Cup)

Jose Mourinho Manchester United £163m. 81 £2.01m 0

Arsene Wenger Arsenal £7.6m 63 £120,635 0

Antonio Conte Chelsea £68.1m 70 £972,857 0

Mauricio Pochettino Tottenham £14.8m 77 £192,208 0

Jurgen Klopp Liverpool £10m. 75. £133,333 0

Tells a different story......obviously one the media does not want to disclose....
Apologies it îs misaligned somewhat

The 'Cost Per Point' analysis and reporting has only surfaced in recent weeks as we began to systematically smash all previous records set in the Premier League. In my 50+ years of watching football I have never seen it mentioned beforehand. The obvious question is just exactly why has it all of a sudden become a measure of success? It is the somewhat last and desperate stick the media are scraping around to find to beat us with.

I reckon it is virtually certain that the rags will out spend us in the summer in a vain effort to stay on our coat tails. Let's see if the 'Cost Per Point' analysis is highlighted and wheeled out then?

It's laughable - it really is! However, I'm just about to leave the house to go and watch the trophy or should that be trophies parade in town.
Lovin'g it ;-

 

[Stockport mackem]

Net spend is for losers who compete in the "shareholder dividend trophy"

Our net spend will always be high because we don't sell our best players

Very true... the main point was that the BBC for some reason showed a 2 yr table ....which had City top... whereas a 1 year, as in the season they mentioned....had the rags top

The 'Cost Per Point' analysis and reporting has only surfaced in recent weeks as we began to systematically smash all previous records set in the Premier League. In my 50+ years of watching football I have never seen it mentioned beforehand. The obvious question is just exactly why has it all of a sudden become a measure of success? It is the somewhat last and desperate stick the media are scraping around to find to beat us with.

I reckon it is virtually certain that the rags will out spend us in the summer in a vain effort to stay on our coat tails. Let's see if the 'Cost Per Point' analysis is highlighted and wheeled out then?

It's laughable - it really is! However, I'm just about to leave the house to go and watch the trophy or should that be trophies parade in town.
Lovin'g it ;-

You're spot on fella, enjoy the parade

 

[rossie]

Went missing in Spain? That is outrageous and he needs challenging on that. What a wanker saying that

i agree , thats a disgraceful comment

 

[therealsvenn]

From CIES Football Observatory ..

BEST PERFORMING PLAYERS FROM THE BIG FIVE LEAGUES
1) Lionel Messi - Barcelona - 92.12

2) David Silva - Manchester City - 91.69

3) Paulo Dybala - Juventus - 91.37

4) Sergio Aguero - Manchester City - 90.48

5) Nicolas Otamendi - Manchester City - 90.47

6) Mohamed Salah - Liverpool - 90.45

= Fernandinho - Manchester City - 90.45

8) Kevin De Bruyne - Manchester City - 90.14

9) Raheem Sterling - Manchester City - 89.76

10) Robert Lewandowski - Bayern Munich - 89.61

11) Kalidou Koulibaly - Napoli - 89.17

12) Harry Kane - Tottenham - 89.02

13) James Rodriguez - Bayern Munich - 88.97

14) Jorginho - Napoli - 88.74

15) Miralem Pjanic - Juventus - 88.67

16) Lorenzo Insigne - Napoli - 88.58

= Cristiano Ronaldo - Real Madrid - 88.58

18) Marek Hamsik - Napoli - 88.53

19) Raul Albiol - Napoli - 88.46

20) Ivan Rakitic - Barcelona - 88.18



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ayers-Europes-five-leagues.html#ixzz5FUrmb9Pf
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

 

[franksinatra]

From CIES Football Observatory ..

BEST PERFORMING PLAYERS FROM THE BIG FIVE LEAGUES
1) Lionel Messi - Barcelona - 92.12

2) David Silva - Manchester City - 91.69

3) Paulo Dybala - Juventus - 91.37

4) Sergio Aguero - Manchester City - 90.48

5) Nicolas Otamendi - Manchester City - 90.47

6) Mohamed Salah - Liverpool - 90.45

= Fernandinho - Manchester City - 90.45

8) Kevin De Bruyne - Manchester City - 90.14

9) Raheem Sterling - Manchester City - 89.76

10) Robert Lewandowski - Bayern Munich - 89.61

11) Kalidou Koulibaly - Napoli - 89.17

12) Harry Kane - Tottenham - 89.02

13) James Rodriguez - Bayern Munich - 88.97

14) Jorginho - Napoli - 88.74

15) Miralem Pjanic - Juventus - 88.67

16) Lorenzo Insigne - Napoli - 88.58

= Cristiano Ronaldo - Real Madrid - 88.58

18) Marek Hamsik - Napoli - 88.53

19) Raul Albiol - Napoli - 88.46

20) Ivan Rakitic - Barcelona - 88.18



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ayers-Europes-five-leagues.html#ixzz5FUrmb9Pf
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

This is what I love about this forum. When the BBC write a cost to points analysis and the results are not favourable to ourselves its rightly ridiculed and evidence of an agenda.

When the Daily Mail print a stupid article comparing the performances of centre halfs and centre forwards (apples and pears spring to mind) and it ridiculously states Otamendis performance were better than Mo Salahs we should read it.

Both stupidly pointless pieces.

 

[Jalfraag]

This is what I love about this forum. When the BBC write a cost to points analysis and the results are not favourable to ourselves its rightly ridiculed and evidence of an agenda.

When the Daily Mail print a stupid article comparing the performances of centre halfs and centre forwards (apples and pears spring to mind) and it ridiculously states Otamendis performance were better than Mo Salahs we should read it.

Both stupidly pointless pieces.

Half an hours work by some sad rag in media city isn't quite the same as this by CIES.

 

[SebastianBlue]

This is what I love about this forum. When the BBC write a cost to points analysis and the results are not favourable to ourselves its rightly ridiculed and evidence of an agenda.

When the Daily Mail print a stupid article comparing the performances of centre halfs and centre forwards (apples and pears spring to mind) and it ridiculously states Otamendis performance were better than Mo Salahs we should read it.

Both stupidly pointless pieces.

I understand (and support) your underlying point of supporter observation and perception bias, but that Daily Mail article is just a regurgitation of the CIES index rankings, which is meant to be a normalised assessment framework for player performance, specifically so forwards, midfielders, defenders, and goalkeepers can be compared.

 

[franksinatra]

@franksinatra
@Didsbury Dave
Where are u?
Let's be 'avin u!
We need to hear u on the non existent media coverage the Centurions are getting compared to our rivals who are making all the headlines.

Its hardly not been mentioned and our record breaking achievements and performances have been documented all season. Lifting the league, breaking the goal record etc have all been written about over the last couple of weeks but like anything it cannot last forever.

I actually think if anyone should be peeved it should be Wenger as him leaving after 22 years should draw a bit more attention. Been a collosus of english football for such a long period

 

[franksinatra]

I understand (and support) your underlying point of supporter observation and perception bias, but that Daily Mail article is just a regurgitation of the CIES index rankings, which is meant to be a normalised assessment framework for player performance, specifically so forwards, midfielders, defenders, and goalkeepers can be compared.

Yes it is a regurgitated story. But lets be totally honest that regurgitation by the Daily mail article and the results of the CIES index would be roundly ridiculed if it did not find favour in our players.

The actual method of comparison is another competely different debate.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Yes it is a regurgitated story. But lets be totally honest that regurgitation by the Daily mail article and the results of the CIES index would be roundly ridiculed if it did not find favour in our players.

The actual method of comparison is another competely different debate.

No point in arguing something we agree on. I also think the CIES index is dubious but that’s only because it firmly sits in the confines of my profession so I am bit more interested in the methodology than most.

That said, I do think there is an agenda (based on many causes, not just ‘the UK media hates us’, mind) and it is more and more difficult to argue against that as time passes and evidence presents itself. And that’s from someone that places a large premium on objectivity and qualitative/quantitative analysis (again, it is my profession).

 

[kaz7]

So have i missed sky showing the parade or the late additions of the papers talking about our achievements or is it still all about the dippers?