Media Thread 2020/21

[Protein Junkie]

Not a chance, you have talk to them. That said they're surprisingly easy to get through to during the last year. Try getting through to Virgin(let alone getting someone who understands how to do their job) to see the difference.

Thank you Mr C

 

[Protein Junkie]

Were any of them losing with 10 mins to go?

No but a game is 90 not 80 minutes :-)

 

[stonerblue]

That twat Stelling on ssn did my head in yesterday. Reading out the days fixtures he got to us and had to have a dig. After saying we'd make ten changes he then sarcastically listed ''poor old Citys'' expensive players available. managed to leave out the kids though.
Then later on the beeb we get to the main event. The first 5 of our fifteen minute build up was used to take highlight our ''expensively assembled'' team and super rich club. They were fine after that but the narrative had been set at the nations feet by then.
There was one 'blink and you'll miss it' mention of City fans being a 'help' with the money Charlton earn from the match but nothing further with what could've been a little feel good piece on the giant killing angle.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I found it funny after City v Villa just how many well paid pundits, ex international and top ex players didnt know the off-side rule.
It shown them up as not being professional by insisting the goal was off side. Even an ex ref who is employed by them didnt know the off-side rule.
If i was top dog in one of those tv companies i would be wanting to know who employed them, why have we employed an ex pro's who dont know the basic off-rule and is making my company look stupid for employing someone like that. I would be going mad if i was sat at home as chairman of bt or whoever and saw the experts that i employ dont know the off-side law, i would fire them, embarrassing.

Football pundits, its more like a group of mates sitting in a pub chatting, easy money. Where is the professionalism, why werent they questioning why a manager and his players dont know the rules ? That should have been the main focus. The fact that City players knew the rule yet City are made out to be the bad guys for playing the game within the rules ! you couldnt make it up.
City players should have been praised by the ex pro's for knowing the rules and Villa mocked for not knowing the rules. But because the pundits dont know the rules either thats all blame City. Mings made a huge mistake because he doesnt know the rules that is embarrassing for a professional footballer.

The fact the ex pro's backed Villa just shows their lack of knowledge on a sport their are well paid to chat about. They didnt know the rules of football , shock , horror. They made themselves look stupid, but never mind they will all be back on tv talking their usual shit again.

The narrative being that City weren't playing 'within the spirit of the game'.

I've steered clear or TV and papers today. Apart from MOTD last night, I'm guessing there hasn't been the same vitriol over Villa's first goal yesterday?

 

[Gingers Dad]

I found it funny after City v Villa just how many well paid pundits, ex international and top ex players didnt know the off-side rule.
It shown them up as not being professional by insisting the goal was off side. Even an ex ref who is employed by them didnt know the off-side rule.
If i was top dog in one of those tv companies i would be wanting to know who employed them, why have we employed an ex pro's who dont know the basic off-rule and is making my company look stupid for employing someone like that. I would be going mad if i was sat at home as chairman of bt or whoever and saw the experts that i employ dont know the off-side law, i would fire them, embarrassing.

Football pundits, its more like a group of mates sitting in a pub chatting, easy money. Where is the professionalism, why werent they questioning why a manager and his players dont know the rules ? That should have been the main focus. The fact that City players knew the rule yet City are made out to be the bad guys for playing the game within the rules ! you couldnt make it up.
City players should have been praised by the ex pro's for knowing the rules and Villa mocked for not knowing the rules. But because the pundits dont know the rules either thats all blame City. Mings made a huge mistake because he doesnt know the rules that is embarrassing for a professional footballer.

The fact the ex pro's backed Villa just shows their lack of knowledge on a sport their are well paid to chat about. They didnt know the rules of football , shock , horror. They made themselves look stupid, but never mind they will all be back on tv talking their usual shit again.

I wonder who it was that told the in-house referee expert that he might want to check the actual rules? Probably one of the production staff

 

[franksinatra]

Morning Frank..

Can I ask you a question..?

In your opinion, do you think overall, taking everything into consideration, that we receive a fair media press ?

Do Liverpool, United, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal get reported on in a similar vein to us would you say ?

If not, why not ?

The answer is definitely not, why is this?

The above clubs have spent millions on players just like us so it can't be about money surely..

We operate within FFP which has been proven to be correct despite the unhealthy media clammer to see us prosecuted for breaking the rules at the time,

Also contrary to what the media keep peddling, our squad is no bigger than anyone elses..

We are a well organised, well run, debt free club with likeable players and manager.

We are respectful with regards to where we have come from and are humble with regards to going forward as a club..

We have no dirty laundry to hide, unlike certain clubs who are American owned, no huge debs or money laundering issues hanging over us..

So Frank, I'll ask again, do you think we get a fair and balanced press ?

I'm only asking you this because you mention certain City fans pointlessly whinging..

To be honest, the way we are treated, reported on and constantly sniped at day after day I can fully understand where they're coming from, I'm one of them..!

City fans aren't whinging, they are standing up for their club and defending it..


Absolutely nothing wrong with that and long may it continue..!

Good post mate and happy to answer it as best I can.

I think there are a lot of people in the press who don’t like our business model, similar to Leipzig in Germany, our owners, such as the likes Delaney, Harris etc and I think that is reflected in their writing. In some minds that could constitute an ‘agenda’, very much depends on your definition, but to me its not the overarching agenda what is typically inferred on here.

Consequently I think we do probably get worse press (I say probably as I rarely read news on other clubs as a comparison and am very sensitised to City content) and so I can understand some reaction to content. It will surprise you but some stuff bothers me, including the fawning for Liverpool and United at times, Delaney, Harris etc and I must add I think the negative coverage was ramped up post the FFP allegations, so my position has shifted a bit.

I think its worth noting I am no fan of the majority of the press overall. In fact I despise a lot of them. Where I suppose I differ, to many on here, is I think the media will sell anyone down the river, not just City. For example I would argue pretty much every United manager post Fergie has had no end of stick, including Solksjaer, this season and I would argue they tried to do a hatchet job on Mason Greenwood after the England incident. In a wider context it could be Meghan Markle, Prince Harry and all the others individuals who had their phones hacked. Some sections of the press are just waiting to destroy people.

With regards some the other accusations I think a lot of its nonsense. Were at a point on here where even the likes of Micah Richards is being accused
of selling out, where most neutral observers laugh at how pro-City he is. Same has happened with Hinchcliffe, Quinn etc. I think even the guys on the Blue Moon podcast got a bit of stick for a while, not to mention the M(u)EN and Sam Lee etc. I think sometimes you have to accept someones else’s opinion, which may be in complete contrast to your own, but is not necessarily part of a sinister agenda.

Just to touch on a couple of your specific points:

I think complaining about the press referencing our squad being ‘bigger’ to me is an example of fans being overly sensitive. Yes we know squad sizes are the same but the reference to a big squad is a comment relation to the quality, cost, experience of those within it. In fact City fans reference our ‘big squad’ all the time in reference to how we need to rotate, how it should help us over the course of the season when injuries kick in. Its really nothing to be offended about.

Like I said there is a lot of stuff fans can quite rightly whinge about, no arguments, but it becomes a bit too much when refs are blocking passing lanes, all refs biased and match fixing, pigmol biased against us, cup draws national and european fixed, sky, bbc, BT, all pundits, pretty much every media outlet and reporter biased against us etc.

 

[give it to gordon]

The narrative being that City weren't playing 'within the spirit of the game'.

I've steered clear or TV and papers today. Apart from MOTD last night, I'm guessing there hasn't been the same vitriol over Villa's first goal yesterday?

Just been on YouTube to see it villa player looked offside when the cross came in than the defender touch it rendering him on side. Funny that sounds like a goal they conceded mid week !


Spittys voice is getting worse such a horrible horrible sound ......its tight maybe just on side ! Look to be about 8inches off side to me his top half of the villas body is well in front of the Newcastle player. Not even close to be on side.

 

[Academica]

I don't mind a bit bias from pundits.
Micah openly admits his bias to us. He tends to overcompensate the other way at the moment. But i imagine that is to ingratiate himself to get regular work.

It's the agenda towards us i have have a problem with. Repeated misinformation. The inability to praise good football because of hatred. Imagine the constant headlines if Foden was a rag.

Roy Keane hates us. He hates the money that has come into our team. However, i've never heard him say anything that i don't believe is his true opinion. So even if i don't agree, i respect that is what he believes. He is more than willing to have a pop at the rags. He just calls it as he sees it.

You could include Neville as the above. Every nice thing he says about us is an act though. We all know it must kill him to say it. He tends to stick to the facts. If we are playing well he says so. If we are poor, he will say that. The difference with Neville is that he is only being professional, and i have no problem with that.

The difference in money between teams only ever used to be mentioned if you got beat.
I think that is fair enough, as it shows how good the underdog was to win etc.

However, it is now used as a stick to beat us with. It is brought up before/during and after a match.
The media bias shows up, as it is rarely mentioned for teams in red.
When we constantly hear Magliar referred to as the world's most expensive defender (including fee amount) before/during and after a match i will apologize for all the above...

Remember a few years ago when the rags were playing a lower league team (can't remember who) they did a comparison of the cost of each player from both teams. The thing was they didn't use the rag players but ours.

 

[franksinatra]

I don't mind a bit bias from pundits.
Micah openly admits his bias to us. He tends to overcompensate the other way at the moment. But i imagine that is to ingratiate himself to get regular work.

It's the agenda towards us i have have a problem with. Repeated misinformation. The inability to praise good football because of hatred. Imagine the constant headlines if Foden was a rag.

Roy Keane hates us. He hates the money that has come into our team. However, i've never heard him say anything that i don't believe is his true opinion. So even if i don't agree, i respect that is what he believes. He is more than willing to have a pop at the rags. He just calls it as he sees it.

You could include Neville as the above. Every nice thing he says about us is an act though. We all know it must kill him to say it. He tends to stick to the facts. If we are playing well he says so. If we are poor, he will say that. The difference with Neville is that he is only being professional, and i have no problem with that.

The difference in money between teams only ever used to be mentioned if you got beat.
I think that is fair enough, as it shows how good the underdog was to win etc.

However, it is now used as a stick to beat us with. It is brought up before/during and after a match.
The media bias shows up, as it is rarely mentioned for teams in red.
When we constantly hear Magliar referred to as the world's most expensive defender (including fee amount) before/during and after a match i will apologize for all the above...

Just as an example where you see a lack of positive coverage about Foden I see nothing but positive praise in the press. I think even Lineker described him as the most excited he has been by an english talent and someone else comparing him to Gascoigne/Scholes how he received the ball. Not saying you are right or wrong but funny how we can see something so differently.

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

Good post mate and happy to answer it as best I can.

I think there are a lot of people in the press who don’t like our business model, similar to Leipzig in Germany, our owners, such as the likes Delaney, Harris etc and I think that is reflected in their writing. In some minds that could constitute an ‘agenda’, very much depends on your definition, but to me its not the overarching agenda what is typically inferred on here.

Consequently I think we do probably get worse press (I say probably as I rarely read news on other clubs as a comparison and am very sensitised to City content) and so I can understand some reaction to content. It will surprise you but some stuff bothers me, including the fawning for Liverpool and United at times, Delaney, Harris etc and I must add I think the negative coverage was ramped up post the FFP allegations, so my position has shifted a bit.

I think its worth noting I am no fan of the majority of the press overall. In fact I despise a lot of them. Where I suppose I differ, to many on here, is I think the media will sell anyone down the river, not just City. For example I would argue pretty much every United manager post Fergie has had no end of stick, including Solksjaer, this season and I would argue they tried to do a hatchet job on Mason Greenwood after the England incident. In a wider context it could be Meghan Markle, Prince Harry and all the others individuals who had their phones hacked. Some sections of the press are just waiting to destroy people.

With regards some the other accusations I think a lot of its nonsense. Were at a point on here where even the likes of Micah Richards is being accused
of selling out, where most neutral observers laugh at how pro-City he is. Same has happened with Hinchcliffe, Quinn etc. I think even the guys on the Blue Moon podcast got a bit of stick for a while, not to mention the M(u)EN and Sam Lee etc. I think sometimes you have to accept someones else’s opinion, which may be in complete contrast to your own, but is not necessarily part of a sinister agenda.

Just to touch on a couple of your specific points:

I think complaining about the press referencing our squad being ‘bigger’ to me is an example of fans being overly sensitive. Yes we know squad sizes are the same but the reference to a big squad is a comment relation to the quality, cost, experience of those within it. In fact City fans reference our ‘big squad’ all the time in reference to how we need to rotate, how it should help us over the course of the season when injuries kick in. Its really nothing to be offended about.

Like I said there is a lot of stuff fans can quite rightly whinge about, no arguments, but it becomes a bit too much when refs are blocking passing lanes, all refs biased and match fixing, pigmol biased against us, cup draws national and european fixed, sky, bbc, BT, all pundits, pretty much every media outlet and reporter biased against us etc.

I'm no wordsmith but surely that's SQUAD DEPTH. If I can manage to differentiate between those two words why can't a professional (who has presumably got a degree in English) journalist do the same?

It's a constant drip, drip, drip in order to place an idea subconsciously into the minds of the masses. It's not accidental and has, I believe, racism at its root. Fairly disgusting in my opinion and IS really something to be offended about.