Media Thread 2020/21

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LongsightM13 said:
The entire modern noveau football fan’s equating of history to mean trophies began with Liverpool fans at the turn of the Millennium and was originally aimed at Chelsea following the Abramovich takeover.
Not only were these entitled melts mortified at seeing league titles suddenly being racked up by a club they traditionally considered beneath them while their own empire crumbled, they were further triggered by their home town hero Gerrard agreeing to move to Stamford Bridge, only to later change his mind after being pressured by organised crime figures in the city.
Thus their “You aint got no history” song was born and belted out whenever they played Chelsea.
It was all they had left.
Nonetheless, it was a message and position that would be amplified by compliant client journalists and the explosion of social media and online football outlets and forums, and thus adopted by other fading redshirt establishment fanbases as their complacency and decadence meant they could no longer compete on the field of play.
When City came along, it was the final straw. And not only with trophies.
For Gerrard to Chelsea, read Sterling, Tevez, Adebayor and Nasri to City. And unlike Chelsea, we got our men.
The supporters of LFC, united and Arsenal - the three clubs who were responsible for the very invention and concept of the plastic, glory hunting modern TV fan - suddenly decided that not only was the past another country, but it was better than the one they now found themselves living in.
And they all had their former players and media mouthpieces onside.
Like Les McLeod, the ‘Creme Brulee’ one hit wonder has been from The League of Gentlemen, they preferred living in a rose-tinted version of the past rather than accepting the grim reality of their present and the unpromising outlook of their future. To paraphrase Les, “Remember when my team was good? Football, its a shit business isn’t it?”....
Notwithstanding its factual inaccuracy in all aspects, as the recent FA Cup trophy documentary has demonstrated, ‘No history’ says more about them than about City. It is an entitled, embittered and terrified howl into the void. The death rattle of dinosaurs.
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Fantastic post
 
Blueboy73 said:
I respect your opinion GT but the message is well and truly out there and as I've said the publicity thrusted in our faces on a daily basis by a publically funded broadcaster is getting ridiculous now.
Schools are fully aware of what they need to do and our experience from the last lockdown has made it easier to support our families this time around and personally I don't need a millionaire footballer who was fed by his club from age 11 lecturing us on how to do our job.
Contrast the publicity for this with all the work that Alex Williams and the CTIC team have undertaken without a fanfare for over 30 years and the work Vinny did with Andy Burnham for the homeless of Manchester.
They neither sought or wanted publicity and put a lot more work into helping those in need than Rashford.
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Completely agree with you that unsung heroes selflessly give their own time & money to help others for little or no reward other than to see the lives of others brightened. The point here, though, is that publicity is vital to make a difference. Like it or not, Rashford is a public figure with huge influence because he plays both for England & darlings of English football (in the eyes of the media). As a child, he suffered from the same shortages as millions (yes, millions) of children in the UK do today. This government will respond to help the poor only when public opinion forces them to. Without his intervention, poor families would not have benefited from the government's U-turn.
I agree that the sycophantic media adulation is sickening, but as far as I'm concerned, it's a small price to pay for feeding those who would otherwise go without.
 
Article on the Beeb regarding premier league players being given a talking to regarding responsibilities with a picture of course of two of our players. Article posted 24 mins ago.
 
adeinchessy said:
Completely agree with you that unsung heroes selflessly give their own time & money to help others for little or no reward other than to see the lives of others brightened. The point here, though, is that publicity is vital to make a difference. Like it or not, Rashford is a public figure with huge influence because he plays both for England & darlings of English football (in the eyes of the media). As a child, he suffered from the same shortages as millions (yes, millions) of children in the UK do today. This government will respond to help the poor only when public opinion forces them to. Without his intervention, poor families would not have benefited from the government's U-turn.
I agree that the sycophantic media adulation is sickening, but as far as I'm concerned, it's a small price to pay for feeding those who would otherwise go without.
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The point is though that Rasford was initially highlighting that this was and still is an issue in the 21st century in the 5th richest country in the world and he has achieved the objective of raising awareness however my point is that everyone working in schools and social services was and still is fully aware of this already and know who the vulnerable and needy ones are already and are in a position to provide multi-agency support where possible.

The initial objective of raising awareness has been achieved and unless I'm missing something I can't see what the objective is now for him or our publically funded broadcaster.
If anything, highlighting the thousands of volunteers that support vulnerable and needy people also makes the government aware that someone will pick this up if they don't and provides an excuse for them to sit on their hands knowing everything is covered.

If you read further forward from this post, you will see the points I was making around a minority (but a significant minority) that will not help themselves or their kids that is the real issue here and Rashford's intervention doesn't make one iota of a difference to this group, perversely it reinforces their misguided perception that it is everyone else's responsibility to feed their kids because they cannot be arsed which is why a blanket sending out of food vouchers isn't a long term solution.

Based on my experience working both in several schools and the welfare to work sector, targeted support is the solution and not a one size fits all option that Rashford, although I'm sure well meaning doesn't get in my opinion.

Additionally the government won't tackle the route cause head on because unfortunately this significant minority that are capable of but choose to contribute nothing to society have a right to vote and one thing politicians won't do is undertake anything that will risk them losing votes.
The children of this group will grow up and many will follow the example set by their parents and it's rinse and repeat for the next 10,20,30,40 years as things stand.
 
Had to laugh. New on BBC. For some reason it’s under Fulham page but on main sports headlines and of course has a photo of our team celebrating which then vanishes when u click on the story

Premier League boss reinforces 'critical importance' of Covid-19 rules in letter to clubs​

 
franksinatra said:
Yes that was the joke.
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Yet when l said you you must be Mary Mary Quite Contary's brother you bloated it was an insult.
As for the 'joke' - well that's not something that would normally be expected from you, except in some pantomime dame role. Oh yes it is.
 
I think we’re going to be ignored in the title race for a while which will probably suit us. Liverpool/ United will get all the coverage. Liverpool are flagging a bit but they’re a level above united. They’re finding the deep blocks harder to break down. United have a lot of decent players but their defence is pretty average and when the big matches come along Solskjaer doesn’t know how to set up his team.

If we can keep the standards set against Chelsea and United, we’ll win this league.
 
Kazzydeyna said:
Quite right mate.

It saddens me that some brain dead morons actually seem to hate United more than they care about hungry children.

Marcus Rashford is one of the finest examples of what a modern footballler should be, more than virtually any other out there.

THe lad is a modern day hero. He really should be knighted asap.
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It saddens me that anyone who says anything against Rashford is slagged off by other blues. Perhaps others can see it differently, as a media campaign by Rag Central or a political campaign by a very biased bbc. Handing out fsm and a few tweets will not solve the long standing problems of people struggling with poverty. This campaign will soon be forgotten by the media and Rashford when they move onto something else but children will still be hungry.
 
BBC United, Mediacity, Salford.

Spot the difference, and the continued narrative in the way the BBC reports on both clubs.

Premier League boss reinforces 'critical importance' of Covid-19 rules in letter to clubs​

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BBC sports editor

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By Simon Stone
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Blueboy73 said:
The point is though that Rasford was initially highlighting that this was and still is an issue in the 21st century in the 5th richest country in the world and he has achieved the objective of raising awareness however my point is that everyone working in schools and social services was and still is fully aware of this already and know who the vulnerable and needy ones are already and are in a position to provide multi-agency support where possible.

The initial objective of raising awareness has been achieved and unless I'm missing something I can't see what the objective is now for him or our publically funded broadcaster.
If anything, highlighting the thousands of volunteers that support vulnerable and needy people also makes the government aware that someone will pick this up if they don't and provides an excuse for them to sit on their hands knowing everything is covered.

If you read further forward from this post, you will see the points I was making around a minority (but a significant minority) that will not help themselves or their kids that is the real issue here and Rashford's intervention doesn't make one iota of a difference to this group, perversely it reinforces their misguided perception that it is everyone else's responsibility to feed their kids because they cannot be arsed which is why a blanket sending out of food vouchers isn't a long term solution.

Based on my experience working both in several schools and the welfare to work sector, targeted support is the solution and not a one size fits all option that Rashford, although I'm sure well meaning doesn't get in my opinion.

Additionally the government won't tackle the route cause head on because unfortunately this significant minority that are capable of but choose to contribute nothing to society have a right to vote and one thing politicians won't do is undertake anything that will risk them losing votes.
The children of this group will grow up and many will follow the example set by their parents and it's rinse and repeat for the next 10,20,30,40 years as things stand.
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Probably not the correct thread for this....

Whilst I agree with a a some of your sentiments, if you’ve worked in schools & welfare to work sector, then surely you’ll be aware that your last sentence is grossly unfair to a good percentage of those kids, who are trapped in a cycle.

If not, check out the percentages of those out of work or those in prison who have special needs. The stats are frightening. It really isn’t as simple as following their parents example, the ‘system’ is failing a lot of kids.

To give you an example, if you have a special educational need, you’re 7 times more likely to get excluded than a non SEN pupil, which is completely unfair. As you’ll definitely be aware, if you get expelled, have poor education/grades, it can be difficult to get on the social/job ladder, so you get stuck in a cycle.

If you can be arsed looking at the percentages, this isn’t just a UK problem, it’s a global phenomenon & a cycle which needs breaking as we are currently failing SEN kids, which then perpetuates the the cycle & therefore the problem.

No idea what the solution is & as you say, there are definitely plenty of work shy people in the UK who don’t help themselves, but your last sentence bothered me a little, hence the response.
 
dario2739 said:
Not sure if it's accurate (think Gary James has cast doubt) - but I heard years ago that the guy responsible for starting Newton Heath was a Scouser, over here working on the railways – whilst the Moores family were from Eccles way, and started out selling coupons outside Old Trafford...

So in a unique irony, Liverpool's success is ultimately down to Rags, and they in turn were started by a Scouser – no wonder they're equally detestable
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Not forgetting the Newton Heath yellow and green kit were the colours of the Yorkshire railway company they were associated with
So you have Liverpool and Leeds entwined into the rags foundations
 
Example of Formulaeic Talkshite show format implemented at least twice today (when I tuned in) .

Talk some balls ideally with a provocative point of view
Talk some more balls from an opposite point of view
Talk balls about Youth football
For no reason, talk some balls about Manchester City....
Talkshite presenter:"If you had a choice of clubs to send your san.. you'd want to see if there's a paaathway for your san to the first team rather than Manchester City ."
Guest (smugly and sanctimoniously) : "Yes, bat clabs like Southampton and my old clab Leicester offer a paathway to the first team."

(in a season where Academy graduates Cole Palmer, Taylor Harwood-Bellis, Felix Nmecha have gained valuable 1st team experience and Phil Foden continues to develop at a pace in all competitions)

Never mind the truth, eh.

Introduce the subject.
Identify "the problem". Who can we find?
Manchester City.
Look for a negative that isn't there.
Snipe at Manchester City (the bad guys).
Sanctimoniously present other clubs as better (the good guys).
Job done.

So that's:
Bad guys (Manchester City)
Good guys (Everyone else)
 
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