Media Thread - 2021/22

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domalino said:
Funny how no one ever posts this one, event though it's 5 years more recent.

www.bbc.co.uk

Are clubs giving the full picture on attendances?

Arsenal's official attendance figures have often been questioned, but Manchester City and West Ham are among other clubs whose published figures differ from police and council numbers.
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  • West Ham: Newham council says the average attendance at West Ham was 42,779 based on the 12 games it attended - which is 12,530 fans fewer than the club's season average figure of 55,309.
  • Manchester City: Greater Manchester Police's average figures were 7,482 lower than club figures, again based on 12 games.
  • Southampton: Hampshire Police figures were an average of 4,246 fans lower than figures issued by the club.
  • Tottenham: Brent Council says crowds at Wembley Stadium were on average 3,740 less than the club's stated numbers.
  • Chelsea: Hammersmith and Fulham council says its average was 3,505 fans lower than club numbers, based on six games.
  • Watford: Hertfordshire Police says its average was 2,602 fans fewer than club figures, based on four games.
  • Manchester United: Trafford Council and Greater Manchester Police both said United's published attendance figures matched its own, based on 12 games.
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No one mentions the more recent one reference GMP Police and Trafford Council reporting of crowd figures matching united’s as that last paragraph is absolute pure nonsense from them, I can only think they did not have the figures to hand and/or just plain lied.

Not a chance united or any team in the league would have matching attendance figures from their respective Police forces to their own, as you and everyone knows there are always no shows and people who don’t attend a particular game for whatever reason, so that indisputable fact negates anything said in that paragraph, in short it’s complete bollocks.

Not to mention united have their cup scheme in operation and there are sometimes 10,000 + non-attendees for those games.

united are the largest supported club in the country attendance and otherwise, but to say their published figures match GMP is just nonsense.
GMP as proven by local and national overseers of that particular organisation are not to be trusted with any of their respective figures published on anything they touch.

As for Trafford Council, as someone who has had contact with them, I assure you they may not be populated with the most punctilious types.
 
HelloCity said:
Strange response. This is more about the BBC and their reporting than about United’s actions.

The article is clearly complete bollocks and has been proven to be so. I’m sure @tolmie's hairdoo has said similar. I guess the point I’m making is that the article was written to show certain clubs (City) got lower attendances than stated but United’s figures were of course accurate (when they aren’t).

I’ve seen this article referenced several times on social media as proof United give actual attendance figures and City don’t.

Manchester United: Trafford Council and Greater Manchester Police both said United's published attendance figures matched its own, based on 12 games.
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Based on 12 games.
 
The anatomy of a BlueMoon disagreement.

This little argument seems to have stemmed from someone questioning United's published crowd against Young Boys of almost 74k, when we could all see swathes of empty seats at the ground. It was pointed out that clubs need to know actual attendance for H&S reasons, and a FOI request revealed that there were fewer than 36k attending against Cluj in 2012, when United gave an official attendance of 71,521.

Further evidence of misleading crowd reporting by United was presented by way of a 2013 article in The Guardian that confirmed United inflate their crowd figures by as much as 24k per game. So far, so good. We are all agreed that United inflate their crowd numbers.

Then someone threw in a curve ball by way of a BBC article from 2018, and questioned why we City fans ignore the more recent article. The BBC article said: "Manchester United: Trafford Council and Greater Manchester Police both said United's published attendance figures matched its own, based on 12 games."

So it appears from this that most City fans agree that United are inflating their crowds. But one City fan seems to accept more recent evidence, where Trafford MBC and GMP both agree that United's published figured are accurate.

This was then challenged with evidence from United v Bournemouth where United claimed a crowd of 74,363, but the same BBC article that reported this crowd also said the game was played at a sparsely populated Old Trafford, after the original game was postponed due to a bomb scare.

The challenge was then rebutted with the following statement:

This really doesn't prove what you think it does, but you seem desperate to misinterpret it.

We know United (like every club) report tickets sold. We know the day after a game was postponed the attendance was lower than that.

Wow, what a smoking gun! They're just like every other club?
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Well, it proved that United's published crowd numbers weren't accurate, and it disproved the BBC article that said they were. I think that was what we were all trying to demonstrate in the first place. Nobody ever said that other clubs weren't also in the habit of reporting ticket sales.

So what's with the "smoking gun" comment? It looks like an unnecessary attempt to ridicule a fellow Blue, by someone who has just contradicted themself, or at the very least backtracked on an earlier opinion.
 
domalino said:
Again this is just mindlessly hating on a story because United feature in it. It means a lot to a large population of the country that doesn't see anyone like them represented in the game and has to constantly get told the reason is because they like cricket too much or their parents wouldn't let them.

The story could have been written about United or City or Chelsea or Arsenal or Spurs because AFAIK we've not had any prominent British South Asian players. Its so rare that Hamza Choudhury got dozens and dozens of articles written about him just for featuring in a PL games.



Its a nice story for a massive group of football fans, you dont have to hate absolutely every story because it has a link to United.
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Who said anything about hate? You have misconstrued the point I was making with your sanctimonious lecturing. Good luck to the lad, I hope he fares well, It's the BBC journalists I was satirizing for suggesting it's only history when you play for United.
 
domalino said:
Again this is just mindlessly hating on a story because United feature in it. It means a lot to a large population of the country that doesn't see anyone like them represented in the game and has to constantly get told the reason is because they like cricket too much or their parents wouldn't let them.

The story could have been written about United or City or Chelsea or Arsenal or Spurs because AFAIK we've not had any prominent British South Asian players. Its so rare that Hamza Choudhury got dozens and dozens of articles written about him just for featuring in a PL games.



Its a nice story for a massive group of football fans, you dont have to hate absolutely every story because it has a link to United.
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you can write a nice story without claiming it to be historical, that’s what gets the goat when the media talks about Rags & Dippers.

I didn’t see the comment filled with hate.
 
Roy Munson said:
rstand now why the entire media is absolutely full of Liverpool and Utd arse licking, and are extremely negative towards City.
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cheekybids said:
As for crowds with technology you should be able to accurately prove how many are in vs tickets sold in seconds although like VAR there is possibly 2 clubs that can’t.

FFS even car parks can tell you how many spaces are available before you enter.
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They will be able to tell based upon tickets scanned. If you’re a ST holder and you miss over a certain % of games you lose your ticket. So they must know who goes and who pays but doesn’t go.
 
cheekybids said:
As for crowds with technology you should be able to accurately prove how many are in vs tickets sold in seconds although like VAR there is possibly 2 clubs that can’t.

FFS even car parks can tell you how many spaces are available before you enter.
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Not caught up with the thread but they always give tickets sold (as we do) that's the crunch of it.
If someone has paid for a ticket but is daft enough not to use it then why should the attendance figure reduce, somebody else may have wanted that ticket.

If someone buys a book but doesn't read it they don't knock it off the total sales figure do they?

As for the Rags, compulsory CL tickets sales for ST holders which is why the attendance is given as high, half of them don't turn up or can't sell on for a dead rubber game against unattractive opposition.

The shitty media has a lot to answer for in digging us out and non reporting of any other Club on this issue, fuck em. We know the score at our Club, they know fuck all.
84,569.
 
The amount of no-show season ticket holders doesnt surprise me , i gave my season ticket up round 3 years ago because due to health problems i wouldnt make more than a dozen home games ,including cup matches , but it is finanacially more viable to buy a season ticket and leave the seat empty for ten games or more
Now i buy approx ten individual home games a season which costs around £600 , my season ticket was cheaper , but i wanted my seat filled and someone off the waiting list to have a chance to support the club.
Maybe the club should reduce the costs , paying £53 to watch a team like Burnley who contribute next to nothing to the game is taking the piss , not interested in what other clubs charge it has been proven that our fan base in general are not flush financially , we are working class with very few southern shandy drinkers amongst us.
Its ironic i hardly ever missed a home game in the 2nd & 3rd tier but now we have one of the best teams in the world i have to pick and chose my games, old age certainly has its negatives along with pissing every two hours during the night , baldness , comfortable shoes , i could go on and on , but that's what old farts do.
 
jimmygrimblesboots said:
The amount of no-show season ticket holders doesnt surprise me , i gave my season ticket up round 3 years ago because due to health problems i wouldnt make more than a dozen home games ,including cup matches , but it is finanacially more viable to buy a season ticket and leave the seat empty for ten games or more
Now i buy approx ten individual home games a season which costs around £600 , my season ticket was cheaper , but i wanted my seat filled and someone off the waiting list to have a chance to support the club.
Maybe the club should reduce the costs , paying £53 to watch a team like Burnley who contribute next to nothing to the game is taking the piss , not interested in what other clubs charge it has been proven that our fan base in general are not flush financially , we are working class with very few southern shandy drinkers amongst us.
Its ironic i hardly ever missed a home game in the 2nd & 3rd tier but now we have one of the best teams in the world i have to pick and chose my games, old age certainly has its negatives along with pissing every two hours during the night , baldness , comfortable shoes , i could go on and on , but that's what old farts do.
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Had my m.o.t today, you really are in great shape, get out there and enjoy what you can, sunsets should be enjoyed.
 
BT managed to talk about Rangnick and Utd during West Ham’s game last night. With the main commentator saying something close to “it’s a big job and will take him time” and keown saying “there’s clearly signs of big improvement already”. Is it every game these cunts shoehorn the Rags in?
 
Well I've learned something new about United creating history - their way of recording attendances was the origin of the phrase 'bigging it up'.
Strangely, although the media are fully aware of this practice they take the opposite action and 'play it down'.
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Bonzo Nododo said:
Well I've learned something new about United creating history - their way of recording attendances was the origin of the phrase 'bigging it up'.
Strangely, although the media are fully aware of this practice they take the opposite action and 'play it down'.
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Their sycophants and cronies have infiltrated all areas of media.
 
BBC Sport - Article on Club Crypto Tokens. Fans spending millions on controversial crypto. So far, across the five major European leagues 24 different clubs have launched or are considering fan tokens, including 8 Premier League sides. However, some clubs, such as Manchester City, also sell digital collectibles known as NFT’s.
Can’t help themselves can they?
 
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