Media thread 2022/23

[LongsightM13]

Wonder how many of the WhatsApp wankers will be there tonight? Delooney and Herbert no doubt

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

According to Adam Shergold (who) in the Fail, Pep is now the apprentice & has copied Arteta by asking Jack to cut inside replicating Saka and Stones has turned into a photocopy of Zinny……Hahahahahaha

 

[bluenova]

Unfortunately, using wages as a baseline metric for achievement still hide the true gulf in achievement between clubs.

Again, the point of playing football at this level is to win silverware. Everything else is just filler in the end.

So if we must compare clubs based on finances, it must be per trophy. And net spend per trophy is arguably the best way to normalise (and contextualise) performance across vastly different financial structures and levels of resource.

Using any other category can make the Spurs of the world look “well run” and “high achieving”, when they are nothing of the sort.

Spurs would be "infinity" per silverware, whatever metric you used.

I was suggesting that trophies per wages spend would be a better metric than trophies per net spend.

The link between wages and success has been proved many times over, so it's an easy one to do. It's not perfect, but compared to net spend it's much more accurate.

After all, Southampton have a bigger five year net spend than we do - but clearly they don't have a better squad, and that's reflected in the fact that their wage bill is much, much smaller.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Spurs would be "infinity" per silverware, whatever metric you used.

I was suggesting that trophies per wages spend would be a better metric than trophies per net spend.

The link between wages and success has been proved many times over, so it's an easy one to do. It's not perfect, but compared to net spend it's much more accurate.

After all, Southampton have a bigger five year net spend than we do - but clearly they don't have a better squad, and that's reflected in the fact that their wage bill is much, much smaller.

No, the Spurs value would be the total they spent (as a zero factor would be multiplied by 1 to find true value in the benchmark).

But beyond that analysis accounting, the point of net spend per trophy (which should include wages by common accounting methods, by the way) would be to do exactly what you are referencing: show that clubs like Southampton and Spurs have poor achievement and financial waste at this level.

And the overall link to spending is even stronger than simply wages (capital investment included), so factoring in the many variables makes it a more accurate benchmark.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Anyone listened to everyone's favourite rag-supporting Athletic City' correspondents new podcast with Mooney since the Athletic canned Why Always Us? It's behind a paywall so I haven't bothered, and am curious.

For the record I have no problem supporting fan media and I happily throw a couple of quid a month to 9320 and Bluemoon podcast - but I'm not paying for this....!

Has anyone subscribed to it?

 

[halfcenturyup]

Unfortunately, using wages as a baseline metric for achievement still hide the true gulf in achievement between clubs.

Again, the point of playing football at this level is to win silverware. Everything else is just filler in the end.

So if we must compare clubs based on finances, it must be per trophy. And net spend per trophy is arguably the best way to normalise (and contextualise) performance across vastly different financial structures and levels of resource.

Using any other category can make the Spurs of the world look “well run” and “high achieving”, when they are nothing of the sort.

:) You can't compare anything per trophy in any meaningful way, the denominator is too small to provide any useful statistical insight. There just aren't enough trophies to go around.

 

[Blueknows]

I didn't keep listening but heard Murphy earlier mention that wages have to be included in net spend calculations. Hmm, looking for a new stick Danny, now we are way down your precious spend table..??

We haven't got the highest wage bill either

 

[old blue]

Their 79 points in 1999 wouldn't have won the title in any season since.

Did they possibly have outside help.

 

[SebastianBlue]

:) You can't compare anything per trophy in any meaningful way, the denominator is too small to provide any useful statistical insight. There just aren't enough trophies to go around.

You can over multiple seasons, that increases the universe to a statistically significant level, and as winning silverware is the point of football at this level, using any other confining factor is just giving people like Levy and the Glazers a means of obfuscating underachievement and waste.

 

[cookster]

Nice to have a bit of truth and balance at last…he won’t last ;))

He's a blue.