Memorial for Lee Rigby

[billfromthehill]

It really annoys me stuff like this and as with the charlie hebdo nonsense a few months back, the underlying theme to all of this is us vs. them. Ie) white people v them 'brown Muslim extremists.'

It is utterly ridiculous. This was one murder carried out by two mentally ill, not 'Islamic extremist' people, and that is all that happened. The man was and is not a 'British hero'. The word hero never really meant much anyway but in this post Iraq war era, this holly willoughby- carol wordermam itv army hero bollocks era, the word means even less.

I genuinely feel that lee rigby has been used as some sort of clean Union Jack by the masses that would like to think that racism is wrong but really, deep down, love this kind of stuff and would like a martyr to share on Facebook, to retweet on twitter and to generally have a way to air their view that Muslim people are dirty terrorists and unfortunately this form of social media gives them an acceptable platform to do so.

It's all bullshit.

Just sign it and move on

 

[Maintainin]

Would it not be wise to either sign it if you agree or not bother if you don't and leave it at that, do we really think it is wise to get into a debate on it, it is obvious it will turn out badly, the fact two mods have jumped in seems bizarre to me, a bit of bleeding common sense for once

You hit it right on the money mate, simplicity.

 

[Damocles]

Would it not be wise to either sign it if you agree or not bother if you don't and leave it at that, do we really think it is wise to get into a debate on it, it is obvious it will turn out badly, the fact two mods have jumped in seems bizarre to me, a bit of bleeding common sense for once

Are you kidding me?

Bluemoon FORUM

What is it that you think we do here?

 

[hilts]

Would it not be wise to either sign it if you agree or not bother if you don't and leave it at that, do we really think it is wise to get into a debate on it, it is obvious it will turn out badly, the fact two mods have jumped in seems bizarre to me, a bit of bleeding common sense for once

Are you kidding me?

Bluemoon FORUM

What is it that you think we do here?

My mistake you will delete harmless posts about a bloody football manager but inflame a thread about a decapitated soldier, brilliant, the thread title asks us to sign a petition which we could do or ignore, it doesn't ask for debate on the subject in hand, the thread has gone as expected so well done all, expecting you to admit that maybe it wasn't wise is pointless though so there you go

Your need to be always right surpasses everything

 

[Daz_Blue]

Done

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

My mistake you will delete harmless posts about a bloody football manager but inflame a thread about a decapitated soldier,

We've merely expressed an opinion, which you've done plenty of times on here. You're the one inflaming things.

 

[Damocles]

Would it not be wise to either sign it if you agree or not bother if you don't and leave it at that, do we really think it is wise to get into a debate on it, it is obvious it will turn out badly, the fact two mods have jumped in seems bizarre to me, a bit of bleeding common sense for once

Are you kidding me?

Bluemoon FORUM

What is it that you think we do here?

My mistake you will delete harmless posts about a bloody football manager but inflame a thread about a decapitated soldier, brilliant, the thread title asks us to sign a petition which we could do or ignore, it doesn't ask for debate on the subject in hand, the thread has gone as expected so well done all, expecting you to admit that maybe it wasn't wise is pointless though so there you go

Your need to be always right surpasses everything

Yeah, the only problem with all that mate is that it's total bollocks and you're lying about things

And you also completely misunderstand what a forum is for and seemingly want to control the agenda of speech on that forum to suit yourself.

And it's not happening for you so instead you lash out. It really is both pathetic and amusing in equal measure.

 

[hilts]

Are you kidding me?

Bluemoon FORUM

What is it that you think we do here?

My mistake you will delete harmless posts about a bloody football manager but inflame a thread about a decapitated soldier, brilliant, the thread title asks us to sign a petition which we could do or ignore, it doesn't ask for debate on the subject in hand, the thread has gone as expected so well done all, expecting you to admit that maybe it wasn't wise is pointless though so there you go

Your need to be always right surpasses everything

Yeah, the only problem with all that mate is that it's total bollocks and you're lying about things

And you also completely misunderstand what a forum is for and seemingly want to control the agenda of speech on that forum to suit yourself.

And it's not happening for you so instead you lash out. It really is both pathetic and amusing in equal measure.

What lie?
The op kindly asked people to have a look at a link that is all, if you feel the need to discuss the rights and wrongs of memorials why not start a thread on the subject, and I would like to know what you think my agenda is

 

[Damocles]

My mistake you will delete harmless posts about a bloody football manager

Firstly we don't actually delete posts but that's a minor technical point. The larger point is that the posts weren't "harmless posts about a bloody football manager" they were "posts by two or three individuals who rounded up on a single user" which was reported by a third party to bring to our attention and is why it was split off and moved. This is absolutely not the same thing as you said.

The op kindly asked people to have a look at a link that is all

It's a forum. If he expected no discussion on the link then he either has never been to a forum before or doesn't understand what the point of them is.

if you feel the need to discuss the rights and wrongs of memorials why not start a thread on the subject

Because when I want to discuss the memorial for Lee Rigby, I'll use the thread that is literally called "Memorial for Lee Rigby". I have no need to start a new thread because there is literally a thread that is discussing it here.

and I would like to know what you think my agenda is

You want to control the content of a thread and tell other people that they may not air their views in it because such a discussion might not be something that you'd enjoy. You don't set the agenda and content of the forum, this is not a power any one person has. If you don't like the direction of a thread then don't visit it but you don't have the right to tell other people what they may and may not post in a specific thread.

 

[BigOscar]

To me at least, I don't see memorials for individual soldiers as the right thing for the government to do. Many, many soldiers have died couragious, heroic or unfair deaths and they are memorialised together, as they should be, as is the spirit of the armed forces. Making them for individuals leads down a pretty strange path imo. Same goes for murder victims, which is essentially what he is.

Not wanting a publicly funded memorial for him isn't condoning what happened to him, or any of the bollocks that people will try and throw at people for having the perfectly reasonable opinion that opposes theirs. If people want to fund a memorial, then that's fine, it's their money they can do what they want with it, but I don't think the government or councils should be doing it.

 

[hilts]

Utterly predictable, let others judge it's a lost cause discussing it with you

My apologies to the op

 

[TFC]

To me at least, I don't see memorials for individual soldiers as the right thing for the government to do. Many, many soldiers have died couragious, heroic or unfair deaths and they are memorialised together, as they should be, as is the spirit of the armed forces. Making them for individuals leads down a pretty strange path imo. Same goes for murder victims, which is essentially what he is.

Not wanting a publicly funded memorial for him isn't condoning what happened to him, or any of the bollocks that people will try and throw at people for having the perfectly reasonable opinion that opposes theirs. If people want to fund a memorial, then that's fine, it's their money they can do what they want with it, but I don't think the government or councils should be doing it.

Cant disagree with any of this.

 

[Damocles]

Utterly predictable

Couldn't agree more. Acted out, saw that it was a bit rash and now bows out with a face-saving "I'm done with this".

 

[Bluemoon115]

They are building a memorial, they're just dedicating it to all fallen soldiers that have been based there, as opposed to one.

Tragic as Lee Rigby's death was, it doesn't make him more special than any other fallen solider.

 

[bluemanc]

wow!
Seeing as its been turned into a debate,AND seeing as yet ANOTHER London School has fed ISIS with another 5 rapist monsters with the same ideology as Lee Rigby's murderers shouldn't a memorial be placed infront of every School/College & Uni in London.
Surely its good that the London community comes together & shows contempt for the terrorist atrocities by isis supporters and the like.
A suitable memorial would be apt.

 

[TangerineSteve17]

If you don't already have contempt for psychotic murderers then I don't think a memorial would change your mind sadly.

I didn't sign, but have no objections to a memorial.

I think my reason for not signing is that if I were the victim, I wouldn't want people to be reminded of such a thing. I don't see what purpose it serves.

 

[bluemoon32]

They are building a memorial, they're just dedicating it to all fallen soldiers that have been based there, as opposed to one.

Tragic as Lee Rigby's death was, it doesn't make him more special than any other fallen solider.

+1

 

[mackenzie]

I signed the petition because I wanted future generations to see a memorial and to question what happened, and why.
Mainly because I'm a great believer in people knowing history and learning from it. Hopefully those people will come to a conclusion that stops shit like this happening again.
Nothing to do with anything else.

 

[Damocles]

I signed the petition because I wanted future generations to see a memorial and to question what happened, and why.
Mainly because I'm a great believer in people knowing history and learning from it. Hopefully those people will come to a conclusion that stops shit like this happening again.
Nothing to do with anything else.

This is why I didn't sign.

I didn't sign because the memorial is nothing to do with wanting to pay respects to Lee Rigby but is instead attempting to be a political device - something I think highly disrespects his memory. If people want a commemoration of every religious or racial murder in Britain then let's do that, but don't try to sneak it in under the idea of being respectful to the dead person.

 

[BimboBob]

Not sure I understand why asking for a memorial is attempting to be a political device. I haven't signed it as he has a memorial, in Middleton, with his name on it and everything, and if people want to remember him and the horrible actions of that day, then they should pop up there and pay their respects. I did.