Merson writes.....

[SWP's back]

FFS! I used the Utd game as we happen to be playing them tomorrow and if you read the OP, you will see that Merson stated that "losing 3-2 to Utd is better than drawing 0-0 as atleast we will have tried".

So it stands to reason that I would use our 4-3 loss there last season as an example of how a spirited loss is not actually as good as a nil all draw. What with that being the game tomorrow and the one we are talking about, especially as they dovetailed so beautifully.

But you are right - It is my fault for creating this thread and therefore giving the players cause for concern.

I do apologise and think that you should probably put the bottle down now.

But there is a difference here. A spirited loss hurts yes. And ultimately means fuck all in terms of points. It might give supporters a sense of pride, or players the feeling that they left everything out there on the pitch. But yes, in reality, it's a defeat. However, there are different contexts to getting a draw. And whilst ultimately it is only 1 point, it's about the laws of average in terms of what is more likely (set up wise).

For example, one could earn a draw by being really competitive, creating an equal number of chances, posesssion being around 50/50, and everyone comes away thinking a draw was a fair result.

Then another example could be, one team goes out positively to try and win the game, has 70% posession, created 15 clear cut chances, the keeper has one of those days, and the other side nicks a draw.

Then another example could be, one side goes shitting themselves making sure its literally a stalemate, by using spoiling tactics, percentage football, and literally spends all their energy closing the space off the ball. A draw is all they ever aimed for, and a draw is all they could ever realistically hope for.

The latter, is very risky. Is cowardly, and it's not the way I want to see my football club approach this game.

You might be right, we might be somewhere in between the last scenario and the one before it, but equally, we could approach the game in a manner, where we are positive, we really click on the day, Utd feel under pressure having lost last week and dont want to lose the derby game at home, they are then looking over their shoulder, and thus they are the ones who in the end, after some real pressure from us, end up trying to either hold on for a draw, or equalise to earn a draw.

So, a draw, in reality, is not a BAD result. But going for a win, being brave, and earning the right to win, and take a draw minimum is what I believe gets rewarded more than the robbery approach

Mate - you are reading into the OP (have another read), far far too much. I want us to win more than anyone, of that I am sure. Tomorrows game is all that I am thinking of and I have just been to the gym with the City CD on my Iphone like a sad fucker.

My OP was that Merson, in his deranged mind, thinks 0 points and pride is better than 1 Point and a boring game.

I would rather be hammered and fluke a one nil (like we did at home under Sven a few years ago), than play great, hit the post and bar a dozen times and lose 1-0 (like we did against Bolton around a season before that). The result and the points is ALL that matters on derby day (and most other days aswell).

 

[Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot]

Yeah I know that, but his statement indicates "even if they come away losing 3-2 at least they'd have tried. That's got to be better than drawing 0-0 for the umpteenth time this season" clearly as a neutral he just wants to see an entertaining game, bet after the 4-3 he thought "what a game, at least City tried" whats the point in trying if your just gonna gain fuck all.

I'd rather "do" then "try" and beat em ;o)

i know what your saying mate, but look at our team and tell me we arent better than playing for a draw?

look at the teams that have beaten or drawn against the rags, they have gone at them, not sat back, the teams who try to counter utd get bent over!

exactly thats why I said I'd rather 'do' then 'try' and beat the fuckers :o)

You try you fail.

You do you succeed.

 

[SWP's back]

Yeah I'd well prefer 0 points instead of 1. Sorry to dissapoint Paul but we don't play football to entertain neutral fans but to do as well as possibly we can.

aarrgghhhhhh

that isnt his point!

would you prefer to stick it up the rags tommorow, show them no respect and go for the win?

or defend like fuck, have one shot off target, 60% of the game played in our half and play for a nil nil

he wants the 1st option, and so do i

No - his point is that it is better to lose 3-2 than draw 0-0 for the umpteenth time (actually 5th),

If that is what you would prefer then good luck to you. I hope you are dissappointed.

 

[forevermancity]

i would just not lose.

at least as much as every fucking other teams would going at old trafford.

bayern , real madrid , inter , milan , barca , not any of this teams would be so arrogant to think to go at rags home and take the game, none of them.

which is the last team who has gone there and take the game ?

its a good job sven had an arrogant attitude and gave me one of the best away days ever.

 

[SWP's back]

i would just not lose.

at least as much as every fucking other teams would going at old trafford.

bayern , real madrid , inter , milan , barca , not any of this teams would be so arrogant to think to go at rags home and take the game, none of them.

which is the last team who has gone there and take the game ?

its a good job sven had an arrogant attitude and gave me one of the best away days ever.

Ha - what about the home derby under Sven? We won 1-0 but were absolutely smashed and were more defensive than our game this season at home.

Richards was the best player of the park and Gio fluked a deflected 30 yarder!

Selective fucking memory serves well I see.

 

[forevermancity]

its a good job sven had an arrogant attitude and gave me one of the best away days ever.

Ha - what about the home derby under Sven? We won 1-0 but were absolutely smashed and were more defensive than our game this season at home.

Richards was the best player of the park and Gio fluked a deflected 30 yarder!

Selective fucking memory serves well I see.

it was a miss matched team we had, some absolute guff and some good but not gelled players. but sven still went for the win. and guess what, got it!

i accepted that we got battered because we were not gelled. just like i accepted the spurs preformance in august because we were not gelled.

selective fucking memory maybe, but my passion and love for tis club will want us to be better than going for a draw.

 

[Craig]

This about Merson saying getting beat is better than drawing in this thread is pathetic.I'm not trying to defend him because I think he is a complete tosspot but anyone with half a brain can see he didn't mean it literally.

As for this we can't go to the swamp gung-ho shite I don't think anyone has said we should.It is obvious we will only play one upfront and I don't blame him in the slightest for that.Infact I thought we should have done at Birmingham.However there is a world of difference between the way we played against Chelsea this season and how we approached the rag and Arsenal games.In his defense against Asrsenal with what he had available(apart from the shocking decision to start Jo)I don't think he had much choice.If we surrender any chance of the title tomorrow though against a rag team misssing their best defender, without trying to win It will be a disgrace.

 

[mano-obe]

0>1

Good maths, Paul.

lol brilliant :D

 

[smithy167]

FFS! I used the Utd game as we happen to be playing them tomorrow and if you read the OP, you will see that Merson stated that "losing 3-2 to Utd is better than drawing 0-0 as atleast we will have tried".

So it stands to reason that I would use our 4-3 loss there last season as an example of how a spirited loss is not actually as good as a nil all draw. What with that being the game tomorrow and the one we are talking about, especially as they dovetailed so beautifully.

But you are right - It is my fault for creating this thread and therefore giving the players cause for concern.

I do apologise and think that you should probably put the bottle down now.

But there is a difference here. A spirited loss hurts yes. And ultimately means fuck all in terms of points. It might give supporters a sense of pride, or players the feeling that they left everything out there on the pitch. But yes, in reality, it's a defeat. However, there are different contexts to getting a draw. And whilst ultimately it is only 1 point, it's about the laws of average in terms of what is more likely (set up wise).

For example, one could earn a draw by being really competitive, creating an equal number of chances, posesssion being around 50/50, and everyone comes away thinking a draw was a fair result.

Then another example could be, one team goes out positively to try and win the game, has 70% posession, created 15 clear cut chances, the keeper has one of those days, and the other side nicks a draw.

Then another example could be, one side goes shitting themselves making sure its literally a stalemate, by using spoiling tactics, percentage football, and literally spends all their energy closing the space off the ball. A draw is all they ever aimed for, and a draw is all they could ever realistically hope for.

The latter, is very risky. Is cowardly, and it's not the way I want to see my football club approach this game.

You might be right, we might be somewhere in between the last scenario and the one before it, but equally, we could approach the game in a manner, where we are positive, we really click on the day, Utd feel under pressure having lost last week and dont want to lose the derby game at home, they are then looking over their shoulder, and thus they are the ones who in the end, after some real pressure from us, end up trying to either hold on for a draw, or equalise to earn a draw.

So, a draw, in reality, is not a BAD result. But going for a win, being brave, and earning the right to win, and take a draw minimum is what I believe gets rewarded more than the robbery approach

So we wont see any posts from you tellin us how shit Mancini is now eh? you post big detailed bollocks like its a story that should end well, football aint like that...