Middle East Conflict (merged) | Iran launch missile attack after Israel invade Lebanon

[Homar]

Hezbollah are a Iranian proxy Lebanese army that are nothing to do with the Palestinians.
As for Hamas, here's a recent example of what nice people they are
https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-...eli-humanitarian-aid-destined-for-Gaza-556565

Hezbollah are not just an Iranian proxy army, as is so frequently portrayed in the media. Whilst they maintain strong military, religious and political relationships with Iran, Hezbollah is a complex political and military Lebanese organisation. It is disingenuous to just label them a proxy force. Even Israel believes that Hezbollah does not simply take orders from Iran.

 

[Homar]

if hamas didnt attack with home made weapons we may not see Israel retaliate as they do

And if Israel didn't occupy large swathes of Palestinian territory, enforce a blockade of Gaza and continually indiscriminately bomb Palestinian towns and villages then Hamas wouldn't exist. In fact, Israel can thank itself for the existence of Hamas, the precursor to which they supported as a counterweight to the PLO.

 

[robbieh]

And if Israel didn't occupy large swathes of Palestinian territory, enforce a blockade of Gaza and continually indiscriminately bomb Palestinian towns and villages then Hamas wouldn't exist. In fact, Israel can thank itself for the existence of Hamas, the precursor to which they supported as a counterweight to the PLO.

Exactly this. Unfortunately many have no idea. And apart from that Palestinians have every right to rise up against the Israelis. who after all stole their land.
Unlike many dispossessed peoples the Palestinians keep the flame of injustice burning. They are not going away quietly.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

And if Israel didn't occupy large swathes of Palestinian territory, enforce a blockade of Gaza and continually indiscriminately bomb Palestinian towns and villages then Hamas wouldn't exist. In fact, Israel can thank itself for the existence of Hamas, the precursor to which they supported as a counterweight to the PLO.

remind me why do they bomb these areas?

Nothing to do with what's being fired from those sites is it.

 

[Homar]

remind me why do they bomb these areas?

Nothing to do with what's being fired from those sites is it.

Remind me, why do they fire rockets from those sites?

Nothing to do with the occupation, blockade and regular bombings of Palestinian villages is it.

You see, violence spawns violence. The Palestinians have the right to resist occupation. Crude attempts to label Hamas as the sole protagonist for violence is the deception used by Israel to justify their continued illegal occupation of Palestinian territories, their continued expansion of illegal settlements, their continued ethnic cleansing of Palestinian land, their continued illegal blockade and their continued illegal disproportionate responses to violence (that they themselves usually sparked).

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Remind me, why do they fire rockets from those sites?

Nothing to do with the occupation, blockade and regular bombings of Palestinian villages is it.

You see, violence spawns violence. The Palestinians have the right to resist occupation. Crude attempts to label Hamas as the sole protagonist for violence is the deception used by Israel to justify their continued illegal occupation of Palestinian territories, their continued expansion of illegal settlements, their continued ethnic cleansing of Palestinian land, their continued illegal blockade and their continued illegal disproportionate responses to violence (that they themselves usually sparked).

both sides are as bad as one another.

 

[west didsblue]

Hezbollah are not just an Iranian proxy army, as is so frequently portrayed in the media. Whilst they maintain strong military, religious and political relationships with Iran, Hezbollah is a complex political and military Lebanese organisation. It is disingenuous to just label them a proxy force. Even Israel believes that Hezbollah does not simply take orders from Iran.

They may not simply take orders from Iran but they are far from being an totally independent organisation. Most of their estimated arsenal of 100,000-150,000 missiles are provided by Iran and they aren't doing it without expecting something in return.

 

[west didsblue]

And if Israel didn't occupy large swathes of Palestinian territory, enforce a blockade of Gaza and continually indiscriminately bomb Palestinian towns and villages then Hamas wouldn't exist. In fact, Israel can thank itself for the existence of Hamas, the precursor to which they supported as a counterweight to the PLO.

"continually indiscriminately bomb Palestinian towns and villages" - what rubbish.
Hamas were elected to govern Gaza AFTER the Israelis withdrew. If they had elected a government that recognised Israel's right to exist and didn't have the destruction of Israel as one of its aims, there would be no need for a blockade. Also if they used construction materials to build houses rather than tunnels for infiltration, life would be a lot easier for them. If they didn't indiscrimately launch rockets at nearby Israeli towns, Israel wouldn't need to make targeted strikes on the launch sites that Hamas deliberately locate in densely populated areas.

 

[SWP's back]

I’m surprised we’ve not solved the problem yet in 20 pages.

 

[Vic]

... If they didn't indiscrimately launch rockets at nearby Israeli towns, Israel wouldn't need to make targeted strikes on the launch sites that Hamas deliberately locate in densely populated areas.

How did they become Israeli towns?