Middle East Conflict (merged)

[Don Karleone]

 

[Don Karleone]

 

[Vic]

You think peace is possible if groups keep attacking Israel?
It isn't.

1. Is peace possible if (a) Israel keeps attacking civilians (since 1948) or (b) keeps doing illegal settlements?

2. That's why you negotiate peace deals.

 

[Vic]

The hostages are considered as good as dead. This stance will discourage future hostage takings.

Israel has been prevented from achieving complete military victory in the past by several countries in the West. These countries are silent whenever Israel is attacked. As soon as Israel retaliates, they come out and ask for a ceasefire. I think this emboldened Hamas and Hezbollah before October 7. However, the graphic images from that genocide has changed the landscape forever.
Peace will return when one side finally accept defeat just like Egypt, Germany and Japan.

One might disagree with the Israeli policies. But this is the new reality.
Gaza is completely destroyed. Lebanon is following suit.

So Israeli sovereignty from the river to the sea? And 6m Palestinians do what?

 

[LesBleuMiserable]

You think peace is possible if groups keep attacking Israel?
It isn't.

You think you can occupy some one else’s land and exit in peace?

When your existence is on the premise you will exterminate the natives with military might from blackmailed backers and when you have to constantly battle those belonging to the territories and neighbouring people one may logically argue that you don’t have a credible economic or humanitarian argument to exist as an experimental state.

 

[Vic]

Majority of European governments up until recently have been implementing policies that were influenced by the Far Left. The problem the Left has is that they struggle to recognise when their policies have gone too far. They ignored the complaints of the people and are very quick to attach labels to those who don't agree with their policies.
The result is voters now favour parties that are moving in the opposite direction. Netherlands, Italy and more recently, Austria are electing Far Right politicians. Reform Party here in the UK had some success in the recent election as well.

This is what I was referring to in my earlier post.

Now tell me the land that Israel is occupying and since when did this occupation began?

Same question to you as to others: what are the boundaries of Israel?

 

[Blue Maverick]

Christ that’s impressive I can’t work out what’s missiles from Iran or Iron Dome, fully expecting Israel to bomb the hell out of Tehran now, hold on folks this could get nasty very fast.

 

[Vic]

India was governed by the British for a long time. The population were Indian. Algeria was governed by the French for a shorter period of time But the population were not French.

You might like to console yourself with the fact that Palestinians have never governed the land they live in. But whoever was governing the place whether it was the Ottomans(400 years), Egypt, Jordan, the British, Selzuk Turks, or the Mamluk dynasty, the majority of the population were Arabs.
For 12 centuries the Arabs of Palestine had their home in Palestine. The Guvnors came and went.

There hasn't been a Jewish majority in Palestine since the 2nd Century AD.


In 1800 there were 7,000 Jews as opposed to 270, 000 Arabs.

100 years later, after the first Zionists had arrived, the Jewish population had expanded to 43k. Still dwarfed by the nearly half a million Arabs.

By the time of supposed partition nearly 700,000 Jews lived in Palestine. Only a third of the population but nevertheless it highlights the massive immigration that took place.

No wonder the indigenous population were pissed off.

For some reason they didn't believe that the Jews came in peace and would be grateful with the land allocated to them.

 

[robbieh]

And remind me why this 'massive immigration' took place?

After the horrific events of the holocaust the Jews needed a homeland and it would have been ridiculous for there homeland to be in Uganda or wherever else was suggested.

I think what most of the pro Palestinian posters object to is the way things panned out after the partition. And the ongoing suffering of the Palestinian people.

You might say they brought it on themselves. I don't see it that way.

Original Palestine was the size of Wales roughly. In 1947 the total population was roughly 2 million. Of which Jews made up a third.
The Jewish population of Israel is now over 7 million. There are over 2 million Israeli Arabs.
5 million Palestinians.
That's 14 million in total living in what was called Palestine. Wales? Just over 3 million.

Ben Gurion understood what was needed for a future Israeli state. Expansion. And the Arabs knew he knew. Hence the inevitable conflict.

 

[Eds]

Currently four waves of ballistic missiles have been fired from Iran. Funny how everyone wanted a ceasefire in the run up to Ramadan. How does Iran’s actions help the rest of the Arab population.