Middle East Conflict (merged)

I fear the Middle East has gone way past the point of saving now. Iran knew how to stir it to this point and it’s now at the end of no return. Can’t help but feel it all part of a master plan from Russia/China/Iran and NK.. can only see a full blown WW3 as the only outcome to end the disputes which is obviously no good for anyone but it only a matter of time before China goes for Taiwan now IMO
 
Not sure I understand your question. Iran has its own highly developed arms industry but on global terms its funding is minuscule by comparison to the major players. That’s not to say they can’t do a lot on a limited budget but real cutting edge stuff is tens of billions just to develop and you need the manufacturing technology to produce it.

Yes, correct and you don't know the workings of Iran. Nobody really does and they have allies.

Just remember, Iran targeted military positions, not citizens. Those targets were... in amongst civilian life.

Sounds similar to a condemnation I've been hearing about...
 
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Just watched the documentary on iplayer from the music festival on the 7 th October hamas attack . Horrific watch and the events of that day and the subsequent fallout will create generations of people from both sides , with pure hate and wanting destruction and death as we see today . Most poor bastards want to just live peacefully but will never have the opportunity, due to a sizeable minority which will get bigger as more atrocities happen . Again from both sides .

I struggle to understand how some people delight in using the death of children as a weapon against Israel?

Do you think the soldier/police who fired the bullet goes home happy that they killed a four year old child?

I think that sadly there do exist soldiers who delight in the death and destruction of children as evidenced by the October 7th attack

Still yet to see/read/hear any kind of justification for that
 
That's what it looks like on the surface.
But historical facts paints a completely different picture.
For example, Jews were expelled from Medina around 624AD. Also, we know what happened to Jews in Khaybar (we hear chants of this massacre every Saturday in the streets of London).
These events events happened centuries before the creation of Israel.
Funny how they hear these chants now there are pro-Palestinian and anti war marches in London. Shouting for ethnic cleansing to end is so distasteful a notion for murderous land stealing supporters. Braverman and her zionist fellows must be immensely alarmed at any reminder of the existence of the natives plight. If only the Palestinians would all die quietly for Netanyahu’s vision of pure fat right fascist ethnic cleansing goals to be achieved.
 
Yes, correct and you don't know the workings of Iran. Nobody really does and they have allies.

Just remember, Iran targeted military positions, not citizens. Those targets were... in amongst civilian life.

Sounds similar to a condemnation I've been about...
What I do know is the intelligence gathering capability of western nations particularly with respect to nation states is second to none.

As regards right or wrong, you will see no siding from me as I believe they are both wrong and depending on your viewpoint every action and reaction is shades of grey.

Nobody apart from the ruling governments or extreme factions want war in Iran, Lebanon, Gaza or Israel. But until they aquiesece the populations will continue to suffer.
 
I still look back to the 7th of October with absolute disgust and wonder why Hamas would do such a thing, knowing that the Palestinians would get absolutely hammered.

Like Hezbollah, you soon realise that neither of them give a fuck about the people they profess to protect, they’re just horrible cunts who will do whatever their dictator tells them to.

Which is why the answer to all this lies outside of Hamas, Hezbollah and Israel, and lies with the US and Iran.
 
On a purely tactical basis it’s a mess you can’t defeat an enemy from the air you have to put boots on the ground, Hezbollah has the upper hand Lebanon is a quite mountainous it’s ideally suited for defence plus they have had years to prepare, going in with silly end games like reshape the Middle East (the Americans tried and it got worse) by force or disarm and dismantle it’s a recipe for bleeding yourself to death, when your enemy says they love death more than life it beholds on you to believe them, so in the end you have to be brave enough to for a settlement, otherwise this cancer will get worse and end up killing both the patients

I know a Palestinian state is not the be all and end all, but it’s a start the Middle East will only be reshaped by peace, freedom and economic prosperity

I think people need to get out of their collective corners on here, see that both sides have legitimate grievances and look for fair and equitable ways to solve them rather than throwing insults etc
 
I fear the Middle East has gone way past the point of saving now. Iran knew how to stir it to this point and it’s now at the end of no return. Can’t help but feel it all part of a master plan from Russia/China/Iran and NK.. can only see a full blown WW3 as the only outcome to end the disputes which is obviously no good for anyone but it only a matter of time before China goes for Taiwan now IMO
China could be the key to ending such conflicts. Nobody realises just how powerful their influence is as they could certainly shutdown the US or European economies tomorrow. People will listen to them and they would be an extremely powerful mediator.

The Chinese are very different in opposing the sort of American interventionism that we've come to be used to. They want peace in the Middle East because their only goal is to grow China and unlike the US and its military complex China does not grow when there is war.

The west has mostly vacated its neutrality on this issue so I think China may actually come to be important, they just haven't stepped into that role yet.
 
China could be the key to ending such conflicts. Nobody realises just how powerful their influence is as they could certainly shutdown the US or European economies tomorrow. People will listen to them and they would be an extremely powerful mediator.

The Chinese are very different in opposing the sort of American interventionism that we've come to be used to. They want peace in the Middle East because their only goal is to grow China and unlike the US and its military complex China does not grow when there is war.

The west has mostly vacated its neutrality on this issue so I think China may actually come to be important, they just haven't stepped into that role yet.
Obviously many on here paint them as the bad guys. But I think you are correct.
They've got involved in Africa in a different way to how the Europeans acted a century ago. And they don't invade countries 1000s of miles away.
Quite how they can mediate here is not obvious as unlike the US, France and Britain they've had no involvement in the middle east.
 

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