I think you missed the point there. Paramilitary Hamas allegedly use human shields to supposedly protect them from the IDF (who don't care). "Civilian" (armed) settlers use the IDF to support their criminality.
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Middle East Conflict (merged)
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Hyperbole, or just not had long enough yet?I was quibbling about the hyperbolic statement about Beirut being destroyed.
It now looks like the tweet has gone so maybe I was right.
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Israel is giving people an hour to flee or be atomised in a bombardment. People take family (possibly pets) and cash. Sometime soon those people holding cash will be crossing the channel paying the cash to people smugglers. The wankers who come up with the answer "send them back" ( Nice 3 word slogan that provides no solutions) - where do you send them back to and how? Do we use UK armed personnel to return victims into a war zone?
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Also, some of those people will be angry orphans or otherwise bereaved by a conflict/genocide they see as supported by the collective west - a new generation of arena bombers and 9/11 pilots. Cheers Israel. :-(Israel is giving people an hour to flee or be atomised in a bombardment. People take family (possibly pets) and cash. Sometime soon those people holding cash will be crossing the channel paying the cash to people smugglers. The wankers who come up with the answer "send them back" ( Nice 3 word slogan that provides no solutions) - where do you send them back to and how? Do we use UK armed personnel to return victims into a war zone?
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I’ve stayed out of this thread for some time because I am just too close to the situation to read some of the inhuman rhetoric from a few prominent participants.
I am not sure I will reenter the fray after reading the last 10 pages or so, either.
But I will say that Netanyahu and co are doing exactly as many of us predicted since the heinous 7 October attacks, and that he is is in no way strengthening the current or future security of Israel.
The only thing he is doing is trying to prolong conflict, and give the far-right in his government whatever they want, in order to stay in power and avoid accountability and consequence. And he is willing to kill, maim, raze, destroy, and forcibly annex whatever is necessary to do that. He is absolutely no different to the leaders of Hamas, Hezbollah, or Iran in that regard. He is turning Israel in to a terrorist state, quickly lowering to the level of those abhorrent groups and regimes.
It is saddening to see that there are still so many blind to that reality, or the suffering of so many that have little-to-nothing to do with the 7 October attacks, Hezbollah’s actions, Iran’s program of proxy conflict, or other terrorist undertakings. That includes the majority of Israelis, Palestinians, Lebanese, and Iranians (perhaps especially Iranians given their recent squashed uprising against the Ayatollah government and the outcome of their most recent elections, which say a moderate put in high office for the first time in generations, only for Netanyahu to immediately work to undermine his legitimacy, both in Iran and on the world stage, by provoking a hardline response from the Iranian regime).
How any informed observer can look to Netanyahu as anything more than a corrupt, desperate, spineless, traitorous thug on par with Nasrallah, Haniyeh, or Khamenei is beyond my comprehension.
I am not sure I will reenter the fray after reading the last 10 pages or so, either.
But I will say that Netanyahu and co are doing exactly as many of us predicted since the heinous 7 October attacks, and that he is is in no way strengthening the current or future security of Israel.
The only thing he is doing is trying to prolong conflict, and give the far-right in his government whatever they want, in order to stay in power and avoid accountability and consequence. And he is willing to kill, maim, raze, destroy, and forcibly annex whatever is necessary to do that. He is absolutely no different to the leaders of Hamas, Hezbollah, or Iran in that regard. He is turning Israel in to a terrorist state, quickly lowering to the level of those abhorrent groups and regimes.
It is saddening to see that there are still so many blind to that reality, or the suffering of so many that have little-to-nothing to do with the 7 October attacks, Hezbollah’s actions, Iran’s program of proxy conflict, or other terrorist undertakings. That includes the majority of Israelis, Palestinians, Lebanese, and Iranians (perhaps especially Iranians given their recent squashed uprising against the Ayatollah government and the outcome of their most recent elections, which say a moderate put in high office for the first time in generations, only for Netanyahu to immediately work to undermine his legitimacy, both in Iran and on the world stage, by provoking a hardline response from the Iranian regime).
How any informed observer can look to Netanyahu as anything more than a corrupt, desperate, spineless, traitorous thug on par with Nasrallah, Haniyeh, or Khamenei is beyond my comprehension.
bluethrunthru
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Never have the words targeted - surgical - terrorist - strike and a few more have been misused and rendered obsolescent by a country for whom they are a 2nd language been ignored by those for whom they are their first language simply to deny an atrocity is remarkable
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If you can find all the “criminals vs civilians” in this whole mess, you’d be a miracle worker!I think you missed the point there. Paramilitary Hamas allegedly use human shields to supposedly protect them from the IDF (who don't care). "Civilian" (armed) settlers use the IDF to support their criminality.
But, while the shields are different, I think I’d take the IDF shield for a little criminality over the use of the general population you purport to represent being used as human shields.
If we are going to parse every action, we will find no end of issues with which to take umbrage or compare bad vs worse.
Regardless of one’s view of what is currently going on, there can be very, very few people on earth who do not want a cessation of hostilities and a resumption of talking, in an attempt to find a long term solution to the incessant death and destruction in the region.
The problem, at present, is that those very, very few appear to be driving the agenda.
Not to quibble with your conclusion, but I'm not "purporting" the human shield argument, that's Israel.If you can find all the “criminals vs civilians” in this whole mess, you’d be a miracle worker!
But, while the shields are different, I think I’d take the IDF shield for a little criminality over the use of the general population you purport to represent being used as human shields.
If we are going to parse every action, we will find no end of issues with which to take umbrage or compare bad vs worse.
Regardless of one’s view of what is currently going on, there can be very, very few people on earth who do not want a cessation of hostilities and a resumption of talking, in an attempt to find a long term solution to the incessant death and destruction in the region.
The problem, at present, is that those very, very few appear to be driving the agenda.
And if you think "a little criminality" by settlers in the West Bank is justified, that does not sound like someone who really wants a cessation of hostilities.
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I think that is a good assessment. On both sides there seems to be a very large group of 'evil cunts' who want complete victory 'from the river to the sea Palestine/Israel will be free' types. Without the removal of these extreme violence supporting factions then it is difficult to see how you arrive at peace. Many do not want, or can even stomach, the very idea of a two state solution. Madness. Absolutely no hope until you get reasonable decent people in charge of both countries and those leaders are then backed by an overwhelming majority of their compatriots.If you can find all the “criminals vs civilians” in this whole mess, you’d be a miracle worker!
But, while the shields are different, I think I’d take the IDF shield for a little criminality over the use of the general population you purport to represent being used as human shields.
If we are going to parse every action, we will find no end of issues with which to take umbrage or compare bad vs worse.
Regardless of one’s view of what is currently going on, there can be very, very few people on earth who do not want a cessation of hostilities and a resumption of talking, in an attempt to find a long term solution to the incessant death and destruction in the region.
The problem, at present, is that those very, very few appear to be driving the agenda.
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Nothing will ever be anywhere near sorted until the Palistinians are set free from the Open air prison they are in, along with stolen land returned. It really is that simple.I think that is a good assessment. On both sides there seems to be a very large group of 'evil cunts' who want complete victory 'from the river to the sea Palestine/Israel will be free' types. Without the removal of these extreme violence supporting factions then it is difficult to see how you arrive at peace. Many do not want, or can even stomach, the very idea of a two state solution. Madness. Absolutely no hope until you get reasonable decent people in charge of both countries and those leaders are then backed by an overwhelming majority of their compatriots.