Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

[halfcenturyup]

As I said before, the palestinian population has quintupled in the last 50 years. I'm not sure your interpretation of that really holds water.

On the other hand, if I asked you if the Nazis committed genocide in 1940-45 because the Jewish population in Europe had (say) more than doubled in the 50 years before that, would that be a reasonable question?

 

[domalino]

But much of this is for internal politics rather than the real world

This is an incredible double standard.

The Israeli PM just quoted a bible passage calling for the mass murder of men, women, children and babies….but it’s totally fine because it’s just internal politics.

 

[domalino]

I think this is true as well, the constant attempt to paint everyone supporting Palestinians is an antisemitic Hamas fan boy just simply stops working when there’s hundreds of thousands of them week after week in London, Paris, New York, Glasgow, Belfast, Manchester and it’s clear 99% are not Islamic extremists but normal people who can see that what’s being done to civilians is wrong.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Can’t really argue with that other than to say leaving Hamas in power effectively hands them a victory and keeps the conflict going ad infinitum. That’s not to say that trying to eradicate them is a great idea either. Israel are stuck between a rock and a hard place with no easy solution, and the Gazans are stuck with either being governed by tyrants or seeing much of their territory flattened in the attempt to rid them of Hamas.
I don’t know the answer.

In reality, you can't blast Hamas out of existence by killing the civilian population, you are just creating a future Hamas, or worse, strengthening the current one. You have to strangle it. It's a slow process but nothing in the world that can be solved properly, can be solved quickly.

 

[cucumberman]

Be in your shoes, just for one night.

Devoid of electricity, devoid of connectivity, devoid of first responders, devoid of a car, devoid of warning.

Just for one night, not the many nights, just one night.

Imagine listening to the horrors of children screaming. Not a school shooting with rifles and pistols, but a missile bombing. Not the more than 4000 missile bombings in the past 2 weeks. Just one.

Being in the shoes.

 

[Brightwell’s left peg]

Confirmation of what some of us already knew. Their intentions are and always have been obvious to anyone that is willing to take the blinkers off:



And to think there’s people who apparently think the situation is complex and Israel is misunderstood!

Is it feck, let’s call it what it is - GENOCIDE plain and simple.

And to think, there are some people that think this has nothing to do with religion.

 

[cucumberman]

Utterly atrocious. Yet it is not new but has been the instigator for decades. Bullies are empowered to bully, when even ceasefire and a pause by dozens of countries it gets vetoed by 2 countries. On a ground-level, bullies become more empowered and given invincibility.

 

[halfcenturyup]

This is an incredible double standard.

The Israeli PM just quoted a bible passage calling for the mass murder of men, women, children and babies….but it’s totally fine because it’s just internal politics.

Tbf, it's only a double standard if you believe Hamas can remove the state of Israel and kill all Jews anywhere in the world because, you know, words.

It's all for "internal" politics from both sides, imho.

 

[urban genie]

I think this is true as well, the constant attempt to paint everyone supporting Palestinians is an antisemitic Hamas fan boy just simply stops working when there’s hundreds of thousands of them week after week in London, Paris, New York, Glasgow, Belfast, Manchester and it’s clear 99% are not Islamic extremists but normal people who can see that what’s being done to civilians is wrong.

Seeing as Churchill was a white supremacist who was partial to supporting mass murder and starvation of people if they didn't fit his idea of racial strengh then the **** probably is turning in his grave.


How Ostrovsky can call himself a human rights lawyer with the racist, callous bile he tweets constantly is beyond me.


The if you're not with me you're my enemy shite and labeling anyone who opposes the murderous rampage happening now in Gaza as a supporter of Hamas is laughable.

Likud and it's supporters globally are advocating genocide and willfull destruction/displacement of innocents. Quoting archiac, obsolete old testament chapters to justify whats now happening is a sick perversion, and to say anyone finding this wrong is now a terrorist sympathiser?? well thas bollocks, this is unlawful revenge murder of people and has to stop, saying so doesn't mean you support Hamas or any other Islamic terrorist group

Hamas are murdering, cunts and again so I am not tarred as condoning it, what they did in murdering, kidnapping and raping Israelis and non Israelis on the the 7th is unforgivable and a disgracefaul act of terrorism and callousness.

 

[Keeper!]

Confirmation of what some of us already knew. Their intentions are and always have been obvious to anyone that is willing to take the blinkers off:



And to think there’s people who apparently think the situation is complex and Israel is misunderstood!

Is it feck, let’s call it what it is - GENOCIDE plain and simple.

Any human quoting religious text to justify killing 1000s of people is a raving lunatic and needs removing from the human race.

If anyone is in any doubt about the evil of religion after the events of the last month they to need help.

 

[bumbleblue]

Fundamentalists are the problem and if we are not careful they will do for us all. Fundamentalist
Christian, Muslim , Jewish, left-wing, right-wing, doesn’t matter. Anyone who has an unshakable firm belief where no other possibility or position can be considered or broached risks us all, because to be peaceful is to communicate, to be committed to resolution , to show compassion. Yeah we are miles away at the moment, but hopefully the day will come.At some point dialogue will have to be had.

 

[Ducado]

This is an incredible double standard.

The Israeli PM just quoted a bible passage calling for the mass murder of men, women, children and babies….but it’s totally fine because it’s just internal politics.

It’s not totally fine, he’s a right wing populist they often use hyperbole that’s what they do

 

[Ducado]

And to think, there are some people that think this has nothing to do with religion.

That the main protagonists are of different faiths is not in doubt, and I guess religion does come into it, but this and whole conflict is about land

 

[Vic]

It’s not totally fine, he’s a right wing populist they often use hyperbole that’s what they do

Hyperbole about genocide for an "internal" audience who might not hear it as hyperbole? What a statesman he is!

 

[Vic]

I know what the definition of genocide is.

And, in my view, what the Israelis are doing is mass killing with a view to ethnically cleansing Gaza and making the Palestinians someone else's problem.

It may become genocide later, but it isn't yet.

Doesn't ethnic cleansing come under Item 3 in the definition of genocide?

 

[urban genie]

Irish Defence Force are posted there, no casulties.

You would hope after the rhetoric at the UN the other day this was just an accident not deliberate.

 

[Mon Autre]

But the 'State of Palestine' is a signatory. And according to some of the morons on here, 'Israel is a terrorist state', so the same should apply.

But the State Of Palestine/Palestinian Authority doesn't exercise control of Gaza, Hamas do and Netanyahu's regime has helped to facilitate that.

 

[cucumberman]

Here we are debating about pro-whoever, while the viral Tiktok trend of late is on this



If the blackface mocking causes uproar, what about the acts made viral by the influencers and tens and thousands of likes after?

 

[Brightwell’s left peg]

That the main protagonists are of different faiths is not in doubt, and I guess religion does come into it, but this and whole conflict is about land

Thats quite a narrow oversimplification. Of course it’s about land, but Land that was ‘promised’ to them by their fake god thousands of years ago. To try to disentangle and dismiss religion’s stain on this is bizarre. Not only is it a significant factor in the land being fought over, but the guy is literally using passages from the ‘holy’ bible to justify killing women and children, and there will be millions of ‘harmless’ religious folk nodding their heads in agreement.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Doesn't ethnic cleansing come under Item 3 in the definition of genocide?

I think you need provable intent to accuse someone of genocide, rather than ethnic cleansing. Intent to destroy an ethnic, national, racial or religious group. Not sure you (as in "one" not you personally) can say there is that intent just now. And you certainly can't prove it.

On the other hand, I am not completely sure what the intent actually is, if you assume that the ideology of Hamas can't be removed by force, which is what I believe. That is why I can only think that removing the Palestinians en masse from Gaza is the likeliest. We will see, I suppose.