Middle East Conflict

[Tim of the Oak]

Thanks for posting, interesting story, the issue I have with the present situation is when does criticism of Israel become anti semitic?

Thats the big issue, why does criticism of the action of Israel always become anti semitic, FFS they have just used Phosphor bombs, that for me is a disgusting action and brings utter and total shame on the nation and it's people, whatever horrendous events unfolded on the 7/10.

Thanks. I don’t think about this too hard because then I might question whether I receive a lower standard of protection from the law - and that could be considered
Anti-Semitic

 

[Keeper!]

Thanks. I don’t think about this too hard because then I might question whether I receive a lower standard of protection from the law - and that could be considered
Anti-Semitic

Understandable, the law at it stands at present is an ass and is failing and mostly failing decent law abiding citizens.

 

[blueinsa]

If they hate them for being Jewish, then they are.

They are certainly hated for being Zionists as can be seen from the language being used.

From that I’d say yes, they are hated for being Jewish.

Zionist has become a slur on here, a dirty word I’m afraid.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Thanks. I don’t think about this too hard because then I might question whether I receive a lower standard of protection from the law - and that could be considered
Anti-Semitic

You don't. Anti-Semitism, like racism, homophobia and Islamophobia, falls under hate crimes in the UK and motivation has to be taken into account. Even the IHRA says that context has to be taken into account when listing their illustrative examples of anti-Semitism. Doesn't stop people throwing harmful accusations around, of course.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Thanks for posting, interesting story, the issue I have with the present situation is when does criticism of Israel become anti semitic?

Thats the big issue, why does criticism of the action of Israel always become anti semitic, FFS they have just used Phosphor bombs, that for me is a disgusting action and brings utter and total shame on the nation and it's people, whatever horrendous events unfolded on the 7/10.

Criticism of Israel's actions isn't anti-Semitic if you hold other countries to the same standard. In the case of white phospherous, I am guessing you do.

 

[Indaparkside]

I’ve been listening to Radio 5 Live this morning and the reporters have said it’s virtually impossible to be able to corroborate any news accounts from Gaza now.

Don’t need radio 5 to tell us israel are murdering civilians on a very large scale and no one’s doing fuck all about it shameful

 

[Vic]

You've got to love these European extreme right wingers, they hate Jews but love Israel.
If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know...

I did wonder whether the "Jews will not replace us" Proud Boys were also pro-Israel.

So I googled, but was surprised this popped up...

Israel Let Proud Boys Founder In, But Says No to Reps. Omar, Tlaib

Citing pressure from President Donald Trump, Israel has banned U.S. Representatives Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib, in part for their support of a boycott movement meant to support Palestinians.

www.newsweek.com

 

[philiph20]

If they hate them for being Jewish, then they are.

I hate Netanyahu for being a twat, his religion is irrelevant.

 

[Berts Neck]

They are certainly hated for being Zionists as can be seen from the language being used.

From that I’d say yes, they are hated for being Jewish.

Zionist has become a slur on here, a dirty word I’m afraid.

I honestly believe you are wrong. Sadly this thread has become a parody of the actual conflict and is possibly why resolution is a long way off. It is clear that there are Jewish people posting,Arab/Muslim people posting with deeply held convictions. But I guess most people on the thread are neither, but have a view that may be unpalatable to one or other side. I do not believe there is hatred here as we are all Blues and will support City and am sure at a match would all shake hands. But research, reasoned debate, is more interesting than bickering over words and definitions, rather than scoring points.

 

[M16 citeh]

I honestly believe you are wrong. Sadly this thread has become a parody of the actual conflict and is possibly why resolution is a long way off. It is clear that there are Jewish people posting,Arab/Muslim people posting with deeply held convictions. But I guess most people on the thread are neither, but have a view that may be unpalatable to one or other side. I do not believe there is hatred here as we are all Blues and will support City and am sure at a match would all shake hands. But research, reasoned debate, is more interesting than bickering over words and definitions, rather than scoring points.

You really think being a city fan outweighs this conflict or politics in general? It was very techy on the terraces with any mention of Palestine. I wish I cared about city enough to outweigh other issues in the world and see past peoples bigotry and hatred

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

our Home Secretary seemed to think they was at least a possibility. The cenotaph at Rochdale had been desecrated but I don’t know who by.

Slight point of order, there are only 2 cenotaphs in the country.

Rochdale has a war memorial, mistakenly known as a cenotaph.

“There are only two cenotaphs in Britain. There is the one in Whitehall, London and the other one is in Aberdare, Wales. All other war monuments in Britain are war memorials. Service on the Saturday immediately before Remembrance Sunday.”

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I honestly believe you are wrong. Sadly this thread has become a parody of the actual conflict and is possibly why resolution is a long way off. It is clear that there are Jewish people posting,Arab/Muslim people posting with deeply held convictions. But I guess most people on the thread are neither, but have a view that may be unpalatable to one or other side. I do not believe there is hatred here as we are all Blues and will support City and am sure at a match would all shake hands. But research, reasoned debate, is more interesting than bickering over words and definitions, rather than scoring points.

It’s why there is a perpetual conflict happening.

No debate can be had. It gets stuck on having to label everything.

 

[blueinsa]

Slight point of order, there are only 2 cenotaphs in the country.

Rochdale has a war memorial, mistakenly known as a cenotaph.

“There are only two cenotaphs in Britain. There is the one in Whitehall, London and the other one is in Aberdare, Wales. All other war monuments in Britain are war memorials. Service on the Saturday immediately before Remembrance Sunday.”

Heywood 100% has a Cenotaph within its memorial gardens.

 

[Vic]

They are certainly hated for being Zionists as can be seen from the language being used.

From that I’d say yes, they are hated for being Jewish.

Zionist has become a slur on here, a dirty word I’m afraid.

That's an insupportable post.

The IHRA definition studiously avoided the word Zionism or Zionist. I suspect that's because Zionism is such a varied concept with different and opposing ideas. Even if it just means "a national home for Jews" then historically that wasn't necessarily in Palestine, and once determined to be in Palestine then it became about how much of Palestine (with some Zionists today still talking about Israel not just being from the river to the sea but from the Nile to the Euphrates).

As many Gentile supporters of early Zionism were antisemitic, and many opponents of Zionism were Jews, it's even harder to conflate attitudes to Zionism with attitudes to Jewish people.

 

[Vic]

Slight point of order, there are only 2 cenotaphs in the country.

Rochdale has a war memorial, mistakenly known as a cenotaph.

“There are only two cenotaphs in Britain. There is the one in Whitehall, London and the other one is in Aberdare, Wales. All other war monuments in Britain are war memorials. Service on the Saturday immediately before Remembrance Sunday.”

That's what Aberdare thinks.

War memorials in Manchester - Cenotaph | Manchester City Council

Manchester City Council's Cenotaph information

www.manchester.gov.uk

Search memorial records | War Memorials Register | Imperial War Museums

www.iwm.org.uk

 

[Keeper!]

Criticism of Israel's actions isn't anti-Semitic if you hold other countries to the same standard. In the case of white phospherous, I am guessing you do.

100%, anyone using that on any form of human life is unhuman in the extreme.

 

[bluethrunthru]

lol

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

T

It’s why there is a perpetual conflict happening.

No debate can be had. It gets stuck on having to label everything.

In my eyes, this conflict is nothing to do with religion and all about land, or the lack of it. One side gets squeezed and inflicts mass damage to one side followed by the other side doing the same.

Both are victims, as in the people, and both are culpable, as in the chosen governments.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

T

In my eyes, this conflict is nothing to do with religion and all about land, or the lack of it. One side gets squeezed and inflicts mass damage to one side followed by the other side doing the same.

Both are victims, as in the people, and both are culpable, as in the chosen governments.

And that’s fine, but it’s not why the debate doesn’t go anywhere. It’s shot down on labelling everything.

 

[mexico1970]

Heywood 100% has a Cenotaph within its memorial gardens.

It's a Cenotaph, somewhere in the world of semantics it isn't but it's commonly known as a cenotaph and that's what it is.