inchy14
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At his time incarcerated?
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inchy14
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Well what did you mean by your post then?
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The IDF are in effect at war with Hamas who are a designated terrorist organisation, we have all agreed the IDF have gone too far the whataboutery regarding Nelson Mandela is ludicrous.
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You figure it out!
Ducado
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I guess the starting point is the pre 67 borders minus the Golan Heights
Yes! He wasn't
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US government considered Nelson Mandela a terrorist until 2008
www.nbcnews.com
Are there 20,000 Nelson Mandela's firing rockets into Israel every day? It's nowhere near the same situation.
Hamas is at war with Israel, Israel want to kill Hamas so the term "Executing" them isn't on the table.
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Euro-Med: Israel used over 1,000 white phosphorous bombs in Gaza
Palestine Information Center – November 16, 2023 GAZA – The Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor has said that the Israeli army has launched more than 1,000 strikes, utilizing internationally …
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ftr euro med was founded by a Palestinian
Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor - Wikipedia
Ramy Abdu - Wikipedia
Ramy Abdu holds a PhD and MRes in Law and Finance from the Manchester Metropolitan University.
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Been doing that a lot
The South African government, which is the relevant government here, didn't designate him a terrorist. And the U.S. designation was a function of the support the ANC began to receive from the Soviet Union in their fight for freedom. A cold war designationUS government considered Nelson Mandela a terrorist until 2008
Violence against civilians in the pursuit of political aims was not an offense or crime Mandela was convicted of. So, no, he was not a terrorist.
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You know Israel could never go back to that for their security issues.
Jerusalem would be unsolved.
Gaza and West banks were unconnected.
We have no whatsoever idea of a 2-state solution.
We need a new idea.
Ducado
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I see the money has still not arrived, I suspect that this is part of the US carrot and stick approach
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“Prime Minister Netanyahu said, "I need ammo, ammo and ammo – yesterday,’” House Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Mike McCaul told Punchbowl News.
McCaul was visiting as part of a bipartisan delegation, and said “It’s urgent, and it needs to happen soon. They’re a little anxious, but we reassured them that this was going to pass. It’s just going through a political process.”
Netanyahu specifically requested replenishment of Iron Dome missile defense interceptors, precision-guided weapons and 155 mm artillery shells.
The recent stopgap funding measure to keep the U.S. government temporarily open did not include supplemental assistance to Israel. House Speaker Mike Johnson's efforts to pair standalone Israel aid with IRS funding cuts has no chance of passing the Senate, while negotiations to link Israel and Ukraine funding in the Senate have hit a brick wall over border security
Ben Samuels
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Netanyahu to U.S. lawmakers visiting Israel: 'I need ammo – yesterday'
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged U.S. lawmakers visiting Israel last week to provide emergency military assistance to Israel, currently held up by political gridlock in Washington.“Prime Minister Netanyahu said, "I need ammo, ammo and ammo – yesterday,’” House Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Mike McCaul told Punchbowl News.
McCaul was visiting as part of a bipartisan delegation, and said “It’s urgent, and it needs to happen soon. They’re a little anxious, but we reassured them that this was going to pass. It’s just going through a political process.”
Netanyahu specifically requested replenishment of Iron Dome missile defense interceptors, precision-guided weapons and 155 mm artillery shells.
The recent stopgap funding measure to keep the U.S. government temporarily open did not include supplemental assistance to Israel. House Speaker Mike Johnson's efforts to pair standalone Israel aid with IRS funding cuts has no chance of passing the Senate, while negotiations to link Israel and Ukraine funding in the Senate have hit a brick wall over border security
I didn't check the story, but I know it is false. Common sense suggests Israel will not use white phosphorous. Not because they are good guys. But because they are not stupid!
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Of course compromises will have to be made on all sides, that’s what a negotiation is all about
They've been caught using it dozens of times before.
Israel 'to stop using white phosphorus shells'
Israel says it is to stop using artillery shells containing white phosphorus, which it was criticised for during the 2008-09 Gaza conflict.
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Israel used white phosphorus in Gaza civilian areas
The Israeli army used white phosphorus, a weapon with a highly incendiary effect, in densely populated civilian residential areas of Gaza City, according to indisputable evidence found an Amnesty International fact-finding team which reached the area last Saturday. When white phosphorus lands on...
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Perhaps AIPAC should pivot and work on this issue and bingo, full house. It's interesting that the U.S. backs Israel to the nth degree when it comes to her borders, but what is the U.S. doing to secure their own? Physician, heal thyself.
Nelson Mandela was undoubtedly classed as a terrorist when he was a leader in the ANC, which was categorised as a terrorist organisation by the South African government as well as the US and UK government.
leaders in officially designated terrorist groups are called...terrorists.
He wasn't convicted of terror offences, but from what I read no one said he was. There are plenty of Hamas leaders in Qatar who are definitely terrorists and haven't been convicted of being a terrorist.
Now Emmeline Pankhurst? She was both a terrorist and convicted for carrying out a terrorist attack.
What was the point of all this anyway?
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Someone said that all terrorists should be executed so I asked did that include Mandela.. then this debate just went on and on.
My point is that old chestnut
‘ one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter ‘
We might not agree on it but it’s a fact of life.