Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

bluethrunthru said:
So - thats the sum total of arms in a HAMAS command post?

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I posted a few days ago this so called Hamas command centre is looking like them WMD claims. If they got this so very wrong with their intel how many other so called Hamas targets that they’ve hit were little more than the refugee camps or peoples homes that they appeared to be?
 
metalblue said:
I posted a few days ago this so called Hamas command centre is looking like them WMD claims. If they got this so very wrong with their intel how many other so called Hamas targets that they’ve hit were little more than the refugee camps or peoples homes that they appeared to be?
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This is one thing that was pretty obvious from the start.

500-1,000 bombs/strikes per day for 30 days is between 15,000 and 30,000 missiles.

Does anyone seriously believe that Israeli intelligence knows of 20,000 Hamas sites, or the exact location of 20,000 individual Hamas members/fighters/terrorists?

They didn't know about the original atrocity that was years in the planning yet on a micro level they tell us that every bomb is aimed at Hamas, even when it is a hospital they have just hit.

I have never been against Israel, or the right of a state to defend itself against terrorism, but I can't see this as anything but indiscriminate slaughter and the "Mighty Vengeance" promised by Netanyahu.

The problems of hunting down committed terrorists hiding amongst a civilian population are obvious and the reality is that things will go wrong and there will be 'collateral damage". Here there is not even a recognition or apology for killing civilians, so it is as if that is actually the intention.

This is simply state terrorism and collective punishment against defenceless civilians and is tno different from what Syria and Russia did to the people of Aleppo.

One of the reasons I started posting in this thread was to have my assumptions and thoughts questioned and challenged so that I could get a better understanding of the reality, and because none of these things were being discussed in the news reports.

Sadly I have not had one sensible opposing argument or reasonable justification for what Israel is doing.
 
Ducado said:
This article from Sky kind of sums up what I have been trying to say this while operation has been fuelled by rage and vengeance, there is no plan but destruction and collective punishment, equally as culpable are the Americans for allowing it to go ahead, it’s there weapons and finances and they do have a say in what they are used for

news.sky.com

Israel poised for 'second phase' of war against Hamas - but sympathy is waning

More than a month after Hamas's attacks on Israel, questions are being raised about how long the offensive in Gaza can last as support among Western allies starts to ebb away.
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I rather think Netanyahu has the Americans exactly where he wants them in the run-up to an election year.

He throws them a bone every now and then: a safe passage here, some aid there, a few warnings to civilians. But he does exactly what he wants. He is fighting for his political life and his legacy. He isn't stopping, imho. The only people who can stop him are inside Israel.
 
British surgeon who worked in Al-Shifa hospital says the forced evacuation of ill patients to will result in certain deaths.

A massacre of women and children has taken place at a Palestinian refugee camp.
 
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Israel and by association America are in a terrible bind, on the face of it they either destroy Gaza and slaughter thousands more, or they stop now in either case Hamas is still left standing and it would appear that they have not been diminished by the campaign

It’s time for them all to get their thinking caps on, and get something worked out

Because of the way of things any cessation of violence will have to be done in such away that both sides can claim victory
 
halfcenturyup said:
I rather think Netanyahu has the Americans exactly where he wants them in the run-up to an election year.

He throws them a bone every now and then: a safe passage here, some aid there, a few warnings to civilians. But he does exactly what he wants. He is fighting for his political life and his legacy. He isn't stopping, imho. The only people who can stop him are inside Israel.
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The myth of the Jewish and pro Israel vote in America is just that a myth, they see the same scenes as we see, and there is a massive and increasing gulf between American Jewish communities and Israel because of the far right gaining power
 
Ducado said:
The myth of the Jewish and pro Israel vote in America is just that a myth, they see the same scenes as we see, and there is a massive and increasing gulf between American Jewish communities and Israel because of the far right gaining power
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Fair enough. I know you are hopeful the US will do something and I salute your optimism. I am not so optimistic and can only see what has happened in the north of Gaza happening in the south as well. Hope I am wrong.
 
Absolutely relentless murdering. Dozens of children again blown up in bits. How on this planet can any world leader still back a No Ceasefire. Genocide on an unreal scale.
 
The blue phantom said:
Absolutely relentless murdering. Dozens of children again blown up in bits. How on this planet can any world leader still back a No Ceasefire. Genocide on an unreal scale.
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Backing israel is back firing on us and the yanks , no red lines biden said , not murdering twelve thousand of innocent people is fine , makes me sick to see kids blown up
 
The Wall Street Journal has an opinion piece written by two Israeli Knesset members urging Western nations to accept Palestinians forced out of Gaza.

One of the authors, Danny Danon, was Israel's Ambassador to the UN. He is a member of Likud. The other author was deputy director of Mossad before he became a politician.

The WSJ permits opinion pieces urging ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

The West Should Welcome Gaza Refugees​

Europe and the U.S. accepted millions who fled earlier wars.​


https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-we...seekers-hamas-terrorism-displacement-5d2b5890
 
Username Required said:
The Wall Street Journal has an opinion piece written by two Israeli Knesset members urging Western nations to accept Palestinians forced out of Gaza.

One of the authors, Danny Danon, was Israel's Ambassador to the UN. He is a member of Likud. The other author was deputy director of Mossad before he became a politician.

The WSJ permits opinion pieces urging ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

The West Should Welcome Gaza Refugees​

Europe and the U.S. accepted millions who fled earlier wars.​


https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-we...seekers-hamas-terrorism-displacement-5d2b5890
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They are allowed an opinion just as everyone else has this should be remembered by both sides
 
Ducado said:
They are allowed an opinion just as everyone else has this should be remembered by both sides
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They certainly are allowed an opinion about what to do with displaced people. I doubt any Jews in the west experiencing the last month want more of them however.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Fair enough. I know you are hopeful the US will do something and I salute your optimism. I am not so optimistic and can only see what has happened in the north of Gaza happening in the south as well. Hope I am wrong.
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American foreign policy has been appalling since WW2. Expecting any decency from them is very misguided.
 
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