Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

You said earlier it can't be proved *except by doing it).

I'm daft enough to try another approach. Do you think Israel should release all Palestinian prisoners? Israel's lies about the paramedics this week proves that many "convictions" will be unreliable.
Another approach.... like releasing all hostages on both sides - excluding captured prisoners of war... on both sides?

I get the emotion and feelings felt here and whilst I have no skin in the game, I honestly just want the merciless killings on both sides to stop - I don't want to see a repeat of 7/10. We can argue all day about what went on before 7/10, back decades but it won't make a blind bit of difference.

All non-combat hostages should be released ASAP... starting with those taken on 7/10 and any Palestinians taken since. Failure to do this will inevitably result in more of the same. There is no guarantee that the killings on both sides will stop if it happens, but at least it might happen whereas right now it definitely is happening.

What alternatives do you suggest in the short term to bring an end to the killings?
 
Difficult to say at this point which of the countless massacres will come to symobolise the current period but today marks the 77th anniversary of their first notable act of barbaric terrorism.



Given that for some posters everything revolves around one day it is worth noting that amidst the ludicrous atrocity propaganda in the aftermath of 7/10 there were 2 claims copy and pasted from previous massacres of Palestinians.

One of those was lifted from Deir Yassin.

 
Another approach.... like releasing all hostages on both sides - excluding captured prisoners of war... on both sides?

I get the emotion and feelings felt here and whilst I have no skin in the game, I honestly just want the merciless killings on both sides to stop - I don't want to see a repeat of 7/10. We can argue all day about what went on before 7/10, back decades but it won't make a blind bit of difference.

All non-combat hostages should be released ASAP... starting with those taken on 7/10 and any Palestinians taken since. Failure to do this will inevitably result in more of the same. There is no guarantee that the killings on both sides will stop if it happens, but at least it might happen whereas right now it definitely is happening.

What alternatives do you suggest in the short term to bring an end to the killings?
Is that a crack in your only argument? A reciprocal deal for release of hostages / prisoners? Precisely the deals that Netanyahu abandoned.

Why Palestinians only since 7/10? Do you not think arbitrary detention without trial of people before 7/10 might have been a contributory factor in 7/10?
 
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Is that a crack in your only argument? A reciprocal deal for release of hostages / prisoners?

Why Palestinians only since 7/10? Do you not think arbitrary detention without trial of people before 7/10 might have been a contributory factor in 7/10?
Don’t feed the pigeons.
 
Is that a crack in your only argument? A reciprocal deal for release of hostages / prisoners? Precisely the deals that Netanyahu abandoned,

Why Palestinians only since 7/10? Do you not think arbitrary detention without trial of people before 7/10 might have been a contributory factor in 7/10?
Come on Vic..... pull holes in my argument all you like. But what is your proposition to try and and this mindless killing peacefully?
 
But Israel was founded by terrorism and has always terrorised Palestinians. And assassinated their own leaders who wanted a better solution.

Terrorism was founded by ancient extremist zionists

(not all Jews are zionists because they are many generous and humanists Jews. But all revisionist zionists are extremist).

That is the root of it all.

They Conference of Zionists declared colonization of Palestine in 1898.

Before Palestine, the extreme supremacist Jewry existed before Islam and Christianity began. The Jew sicarii created terrorism and killed their very own Jews (moderates who assimilated with Greco-Roman citizenry).

Acts 21:38 identified the sicarii as terrorists and assassins. The establishment of Jew sicarii literally transliterate to terrorists and assassins. The sicarii are zealots who created the siege of towns and cities (Caesaria being one of them) by cutting off and destroying food and water supply and inducing starvation. They are the first.

It’s no surprise that they still use the exact same method that the IDF and Netan and his far right cronies are doing to this present day, labelling Palestinians as Amalek.

Sicariism (now revisionist Zionism) is very ingrained they are synonyms.
 
Tapped audio on AIPAC and their mission to penetrate and control the US.



JFK disagreed on AIPAC being influential and the requirement was as a registered foreign body. Then came the assassination, and from Lyndon Johnson onwards until now, AIPAC nevers needs registration. Rather, for congress to be accepted as congress, US had to sign agreement with AIPAC. It is a full 180 circle from JFK to Lyndon Johnson onwards. Lyndon himself prevented the other USS ships to help USS Liberty and his main ultimatum was so not to embarass Israel.
 
Tapped audio on AIPAC and their mission to penetrate and control the US.



JFK disagreed on AIPAC being influential and the requirement was as a registered foreign body. Then came the assassination, and from Lyndon Johnson onwards until now, AIPAC nevers needs registration. Rather, for congress to be accepted as congress, US had to sign agreement with AIPAC. It is a full 180 circle from JFK to Lyndon Johnson onwards. Lyndon himself prevented the other USS ships to help USS Liberty and his main ultimatum was so not to embarass Israel.

"For congress to be accepted as congress..."?
 
The murders continued their ethnic cleansing yesterday.

War planes killed at least 29 civilians when they bombed apartment buildings.
But hey, they might have known someone who had a brother in Hamas.

It's strange because if I finish the sentence From the river...... I could be arrested.
 
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"For congress to be accepted as congress..."?

Not accepted, but supported to be accepted as congress. It comes with the funding. Those who accepts funding and sponsorship sign the deal. Those with stronger funding gets higher support to be accepted as Congress.

And who funded the most for the current president?

“Congressmen Mike Lawler (R-NY-17) and Jared Moskowitz (D-FL-23) led a bipartisan letter signed by over 100 of their House of Representatives colleagues slamming the push by the Palestinian Authority to downgrade Israel's status at the United Nations (UN) and offering serious consequences if this were to happen. The letter is endorsed by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), FDD Action, Endowment for Middle East Truth (EMET), the Jewish Institute for National Security of America (JINSA), Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), Christians United for Israel (CUFI), the Republican Jewish Coalition (RJC), Jewish Federations of North America (JFNA), the Combat Antisemitism Movement (CAM), and Heritage Action.

"Any downgrade in Israel’s status or standing at the UNGA will result in a corresponding downgrade of U.S. financial, material and political support to the UN," the lawmakers wrote.”

In another review:


At least 318 American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) backed politicians won their seats in the US elections on Tuesday, AIPAC posted on their X/Twitter. AIPAC is a pro-Israel lobbying group that vowed to spend over 100 million dollars this year in the US elections, according to The Guardian.

One recipient, Jewish Democrat Adam Schiff, won his senate position in California. His previous position as a representative from the house from the 30th district of California has been replaced by another AIPAC-backed democrat, Laura Friedman. AIPAC congratulated both of the winners.

AIPAC endorsed Wesley Bush, who won his position as House representative in Missouri District 1. He replaced 'squad member' Cori Bush, who had previously been critical of Israel in the Democratic party primaries. AIPAC spent $8.5 million on Bush's campaign, according to The Guardian.“

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They are influential puppet masters. The last time US had own control was Eisenhower who were anti Israel nuclear and military projects, and JFK who demanded AIPAC (then the Zionist Organisation) to first apply for registration as foreign body.

The current leader, Trump has so far since 2020 been funded $230mil alone. That is excluding funds for voting race of congress who are pro zionism.

Concurrently, for those who are against zionism and are pro-Palestine, AIPAC has $100mil to oppose those in congress who are pro Palestine.

Money talks.
 


Also

In a calm, clinical interview held in Norway, renowned journalist Yama Wolasmal picks apart the duplicitous propaganda from Israeli spokesperson David Mencer.

At one point, Mencer says (with a straight face), “We feel that we are the most humane army to have ever existed in living memory.”

Wolasmal: “Then why do your soldiers shoot at people with white flags? You even shot your own hostages.”



Grew up in London. Save all videos of him talking. It is a good collection on training of how to spot lies.
 
Another night another disgraceful attack. Yet again planes were used by the Murdering Nation of Israel to totally destroy the last functioning hospital in Gaza.
Of course they said it was a military base for Hamas. Of course they were telling the truth, they always do.

And the world stayed silent.
 
Another night another disgraceful attack. Yet again planes were used by the Murdering Nation of Israel to totally destroy the last functioning hospital in Gaza.
Of course they said it was a military base for Hamas. Of course they were telling the truth, they always do.

And the world stayed silent.
While I get that Israel itself will lie. It always has. And the US because they've always supported them. And Europe out of guilt.
Not that that excuses any of them.

But what the fuck is keeping fellow Arab countries shamefully silent.
 
While I get that Israel itself will lie. It always has. And the US because they've always supported them. And Europe out of guilt.
Not that that excuses any of them.

But what the fuck is keeping fellow Arab countries shamefully silent.

They are not being silent - just look at the work Al Jazeera is doing and its casualty rate - the silence stems from the Western press being cowed into silence by home govts
 
They are not being silent - just look at the work Al Jazeera is doing and its casualty rate - the silence stems from the Western press being cowed into silence by home govts
I was talking more about the governments Egypt, Saudi, Jordan et al

But I take your point re al Jazeera.

And as you say the western media are a joke.
 
I was talking more about the governments Egypt, Saudi, Jordan et al

But I take your point re al Jazeera.

And as you say the western media are a joke.

In fairness to the western media a batch of sour milk in Tel Aviv does top the news agenda.
 

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