Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

Vic said:
Now then BigJoeWum, imagine anyone on Bluemoon said Hamas should not have taken hostages and should not release hostages, how would that stop Israeli genocide? NB Hamas were releasing hostages until Netanyahu needed the ceasefire to stop in order to stay in power.

I don't know if you are wumming, but your blissful ignorance (wilful ignorance about history - decades ago or last week) is just tedious.
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He's clearly wumming. It would take him a lot less time to read a tiny bit of history than to post "Hamas shouldn't have started it. Release the hostages and it will all be solved" for the 1000th time.
 
The Fat el Hombre said:
Yep. Way too long. Decades too long even.

Expect a lot of this in the coming weeks/months/years:

"I have supported Israel, pretty much at all costs, but today, I want to say that I got it wrong,

This is not only this parliament not greatest hour, I'm really concerned that this is a moment in history where people look back, where we've got it wrong as a country.

Can the minister stand up to our friends and allies in the united states and make a strong stand for humanity? For us to be on the right side of history? For the moral courage to lead, not just to follow the united states?

That's why we're all elected here. Let's stand up for life."



More israel accounts who have been pro genocide throughout the last 18 months are changing their tune too
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Nearly every MP in the debate condemned Israel, from all parties. The only one who didn't was the Shadow Foreign Minister, Priti Patel (previously sacked as a minister for having secret meetings with Israeli officials). In a crazy rewriting of history, she blamed Iran: "the root cause of so much bloodshed and misery in the middle east is the regime in Iran".

 
hcblue95 said:
He's clearly wumming. It would take him a lot less time to read a tiny bit of history than to post "Hamas shouldn't have started it. Release the hostages and it will all be solved" for the 1000th time.
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This reply just illustrates your own ignorance and stupidity.
Where does anybody say (or more specifically I) "and it will all be solved' - pathetic is too good a response for such a silly reply.

Every journey starts with a single step, it is almost, though definitely impossible in this instance to reach such a final destination immediately.
 
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mancity2012_eamo said:
Well the consensus to me seems to be in here;
No.
Yes.

Now How?

Another simple question that was seemingly answered but Netanyahu decided he didn’t like the answer.

That’s quite complicated and it’s also something there seems to be a general consensus on in here.

You seem to have a different point of view, which of course you are entitled to to.

Good luck with it.
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So if you don't agree with the taking of the hostages and think they should be released why do you attack people (like me) who advocate trying to get these innocent, non-military people released?
 
Did I attack you?
Pretty sure I agreed with you and asked you, who hasn’t agreed with you ?

You glean more from replies than others do,….
in my opinion.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
So if you don't agree with the taking of the hostages and think they should be released why do you attack people (like me) who advocate trying to get these innocent, non-military people released?
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Did I attack you?
Pretty sure I agreed with you and asked you, who hasn’t agreed with you ?

You glean more from replies than others do,….
in my opinion.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Anyone that chooses not to answer these two questions.... go fill your boots

Do you think the hostages should have been taken by Hamas on 7th October?

Should the hostages be released by Hamas?
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No.
If it would stop the genocide, yes. There was a deal in place to release hostages but the extremists in the Israeli government put the kibosh on that.
Now, a question for you; Do you think the actions of Israel and the continued slaughter and starvation of civilians and the avowed intent to wipe the Paletinians off the face of the earth since October are justified?
 
stonerblue said:
No.
If it would stop the genocide, yes. There was a deal in place to release hostages but the extremists in the Israeli government put the kibosh on that.
Now, a question for you; Do you think the actions of Israel and the continued slaughter and starvation of civilians and the avowed intent to wipe the Paletinians off the face of the earth since October are justified?
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Thanks for your response.

To your question. No I cannot think how anyone would or could justify such actions and we as a people should be looking for a way, any way of stopping that. My, maybe stupid and possibly ignorant, solution is to try and unpick the current immediate problem which I think releasing the hostages is part of.

Unfortunately, as all too many posters on here are tirelessly pointing out this war does go back decades, centuries even and if we are going to forever tie everything or any possible solution back to the very beginning them I'm afraid we call all look forward to continuous ongoing slaughter and killings on both sides - there is absolutely zero chance of resolving the problem, hence why I think we should think the people who are suffering today as opposed to looking back and finger pointing (both sides) - it achieves very little if not nothing as has been proven over the years.

I, unlike many others on here, do not have a masters degree in middle east battles and conflict resolution, but I still have an opinion which tends to focus on the here and now and the people who are suffering today, people like the starving Palestinians and the captured hostages.

EDIT @stonerblue . The answer to your final question

"Do you think the actions of Israel and the continued slaughter and starvation of civilians and the avowed intent to wipe the Paletinians off the face of the earth since October are justified?

... is NO but that could easily be rewritten as...

Do you think the actions of Palestine and the continued attacks on civilians and the avowed intent to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth for the last few decades are equally justified?

I do hope this doesn't offend anyone.
 
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BigJoe#1 said:
Thanks for your response.

To your question. No I cannot think how anyone would or could justify such actions and we as a people should be looking for a way, any way of stopping that. My, maybe stupid and possibly ignorant, solution is to try and unpick the current immediate problem which I think releasing the hostages is part of.

Unfortunately, as all too many posters on here are tirelessly pointing out this war does go back decades, centuries even and if we are going to forever tie everything or any possible solution back to the very beginning them I'm afraid we call all look forward to continuous ongoing slaughter and killings on both sides - there is absolutely zero chance of resolving the problem, hence why I think we should think the people who are suffering today as opposed to looking back and finger pointing (both sides) - it achieves very little if not nothing as has been proven over the years.

I, unlike many others on here, do not have a masters degree in middle east battles and conflict resolution, but I still have an opinion which tends to focus on the here and now and the people who are suffering today, people like the starving Palestinians and the captured hostages.

EDIT @stonerblue . The answer to your final question

"Do you think the actions of Israel and the continued slaughter and starvation of civilians and the avowed intent to wipe the Paletinians off the face of the earth since October are justified?

... is NO but that could easily be rewritten as...

Do you think the actions of Palestine and the continued attacks on civilians and the avowed intent to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth for the last few decades are equally justified?

I do hope this doesn't offend anyone.
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I don't recall the Palestinians 'settling' Israel?
 
Postman Pep said:
What about the military people taken hostage? Don't they count or are you pretending they don't exist?
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Of course they count but sadly we will need to prioritise and to me the women and children and the elderly need IMO to be the first in the queue.

If we insist on lumping them altogether then I'm afraid that IMO the chances of helping these innocent people will be almost if not totally extinct - sorry about that.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
.... the question you asked was about "wiping out" Palestinians, my point is that I think the Palestinians have similar thoughts about Israel... don't they... ?
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As you said earlier, i'm talking about the here and now, today. It doesn't matter what they 'think', and i'm not sure that is the case with Palestinians anyway.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Of course they count but sadly we will need to prioritise and to me the women and children and the elderly need IMO to be the first in the queue.

If we insist on lumping them altogether then I'm afraid that IMO the chances of helping these innocent people will be almost if not totally extinct - sorry about that.
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The elderly and medically vulnerable were prioritised and released back in late 2023. I'm pretty certain all children, at least those that survived the relentless bombardment, have also been released. From what I can make out those remaining, again if they survived, are either active soldiers or within the age range for reserve service, i.e potential soldiers.

It appears even on the one issue you care most about you haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about. Yet you wonder why people don't take you seriously.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Thanks for your response.

To your question. No I cannot think how anyone would or could justify such actions and we as a people should be looking for a way, any way of stopping that. My, maybe stupid and possibly ignorant, solution is to try and unpick the current immediate problem which I think releasing the hostages is part of.

Unfortunately, as all too many posters on here are tirelessly pointing out this war does go back decades, centuries even and if we are going to forever tie everything or any possible solution back to the very beginning them I'm afraid we call all look forward to continuous ongoing slaughter and killings on both sides - there is absolutely zero chance of resolving the problem, hence why I think we should think the people who are suffering today as opposed to looking back and finger pointing (both sides) - it achieves very little if not nothing as has been proven over the years.

I, unlike many others on here, do not have a masters degree in middle east battles and conflict resolution, but I still have an opinion which tends to focus on the here and now and the people who are suffering today, people like the starving Palestinians and the captured hostages.

EDIT @stonerblue . The answer to your final question

"Do you think the actions of Israel and the continued slaughter and starvation of civilians and the avowed intent to wipe the Paletinians off the face of the earth since October are justified?

... is NO but that could easily be rewritten as...

Do you think the actions of Palestine and the continued attacks on civilians and the avowed intent to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth for the last few decades are equally justified?

I do hope this doesn't offend anyone.
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The difference is the first bolded text accurately describes the reality, and the second bolded text largely does not.
 
The Fat el Hombre said:
Pretty sure that being against ethnic cleansing, genocide and decades of illegal occupation is right, actually
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You are right and your enemy is wrong... right.

Throwing bombs at civilians, on both sides) is wrong. Supporting either of those regimes is shit.

I mean how can anyone support isreal and what they're doing to the Palestinians. And how can anyone support Hamas etc and the atrocities they do. Crazy.
 
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