Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

[Indaparkside]

You didn't answer before but if you are an Askenazi Jew like the majority of people running Israel you will have 60 percent European DNA.
And you're here telling us what is best for the middle east.

He’s a one sided **** kill innocent men women children from Gaza that’s ok , attack a sovereign country and expect no retaliation that’s ok Israel are gentle kind souls in his eyes , he’s a fucking turd pal

 

[robbieh]

Any offer of any sort has to also include all settlers removed from the West Bank.

Is this something you're in favour of as you constantly post "Israel just wants to be left alone on THEIR land?

And if he doesn't say yes then he can be ignored

 

[The blue phantom]

And if he doesn't say yes then he can be ignored

This question can go to all the Pro Israli folk on here. It's something they always conveniently seem to dodge.

 

[tel aviv city]

From your username, I am assuming that you live in Tel Aviv and would like to gauge your opinion on a scenario I raised earlier in the thread.

If Hamas offered to release all the remaining hostages in return for a safe passage to any country of their choice, would the Israelis accept such an offer? Also, what impact would this have on the ongoing Gaza conflict?

No Israeli truly wants to conquer Gaza, and if we play along with the fantasy you’re suggesting — that they would release the hostages (which won’t happen) —
then a cleared buffer zone in the northern Gaza Strip that separates Israel from the civilians who wish to stay, and honestly, I’d be thrilled if they went and built a Monaco there.
Thousands of tourists could come. This could have already become a reality if the billions sent to Gaza had been invested in education and infrastructure instead of death tunnels and terror.
Hamas are destined for death, being a terror organization.
The Palestinian people — that’s a sad story of neighbors who once lived peacefully with us and were taken hostage by a terror group.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Aparantly Trump left the G7 as there is intellegence that Iran are about to attack a US base in Iraq.
Will that intellegence be as reliable as WMD in Iraq?

Is that top secret intelligence?

 

[trueblue1972]

No Israeli truly wants to conquer Gaza, and if we play along with the fantasy you’re suggesting — that they would release the hostages (which won’t happen) —
then a cleared buffer zone in the northern Gaza Strip that separates Israel from the civilians who wish to stay, and honestly, I’d be thrilled if they went and built a Monaco there.
Thousands of tourists could come. This could have already become a reality if the billions sent to Gaza had been invested in education and infrastructure instead of death tunnels and terror.
Hamas are destined for death, being a terror organization.
The Palestinian people — that’s a sad story of neighbors who once lived peacefully with us and were taken hostage by a terror group.

Oh you don't help the cause lol

 

[TinFoilHat]

The Palestinian genocide has disappeared and been replaced by Iranian regime Change in the Western media.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

May want to hold fire on that... rumour he left the G7 meeting early is that he is preparing attacks on Iran.. then he will be labelled a warmonger etc.

He’s going to slap a 100% tariff on them.

 

[SWP's back]

This question can go to all the Pro Israli folk on here. It's something they always conveniently seem to dodge.

Good job Harris didn’t get in eh or there would be issues with Israel.

 

[Gobshiight]

The Palestinian genocide has disappeared and been replaced by Iranian regime Change in the Western media.

I do think we should have separate threads for the two topics, so people on here don't forget there's a genocide taking place

Another 51 killed while waiting for aid today. Unbelievable that they've not managed to build the new Monaco over there eh

 

[robbieh]

No Israeli truly wants to conquer Gaza, and if we play along with the fantasy you’re suggesting — that they would release the hostages (which won’t happen) —
then a cleared buffer zone in the northern Gaza Strip that separates Israel from the civilians who wish to stay, and honestly, I’d be thrilled if they went and built a Monaco there.
Thousands of tourists could come. This could have already become a reality if the billions sent to Gaza had been invested in education and infrastructure instead of death tunnels and terror.
Hamas are destined for death, being a terror organization.
The Palestinian people — that’s a sad story of neighbors who once lived peacefully with us and were taken hostage by a terror group.

You don't know the history of your country very well.
Settlers?

 

[Cassandra]

What would be a great Idea would be for Trump to turn Florida into a Palestinian State, evacuate everyone now living in Florida and then set up his pleasure state in Gaza.

 

[BigJoe#1]

"Totally cede to all our demands and we MIGHT decide to stop killing you, despite us doing that before you had these hostages"

They're terrorists, not idiots. Use your brain.

Yup... Don't cede and we will absolutely batter you to hell and back... Choices eh?

One terrorist to another.

The only thing to say is that IF hamas had given back the innocent people they capture, world opinion would be much more sympathetic.

 

[The blue phantom]

Good job Harris didn’t get in eh or there would be issues with Israel.

I've no idea what that has to do with my question.

Just to clear things up though Biden, Trump are complicit in Genocide and will be remembered for that. As would Harris if she'd of took office.

 

[Postman Pep]

Good job Harris didn’t get in eh or there would be issues with Israel.

 

[SWP's back]

As would Harris if she'd of took office.

Have* never of.

Amazing level of certainty you have though.

 

[BTH]

The current estimate of the total death count in Gaza is between 50k to 70k.
Of these, the majority are Hamas fighters. Next, you add those who died of natural causes. Then, you'll find that the civilian death count is being overblown especially when compared to other conflicts.
If it is a massacre, then I would expect around 300k to 400k deaths when you consider how long the war has been ongoing. What I can see is large scale destruction of buildings and displacement of people.

My worry is that Hamas cares less for their people compared to people like you and others across the world.
If Hamas cares, they would negotiate a safe exit from Gaza in return for freeing the remaining hostages. This would bring the war to an end immediately. Instead, they are hanging on hoping that international pressure would forcefield Israel to stop the war so they can continue to govern Gaza.

The fantastic dea that the majority of the 50-70,000 dead in Gaza are mainly Hamas is based on what exactly? Show us the evidence...

As for those who died of natural causes, I'm lost for words.

It's interesting that you quantify a massacre at a far higher figure than the current accepted approximate figure of Palestinian deaths. Some may call that convenient.

There is, of course, no defined number for a massacre but I think most people would agree that 50-70,000 deaths would indeed constitute a massacre.

You seem quite intent on calling Hamas out and rightly so, but what about Netanyahu? Does he really care for his people or is he just trying to save his own sorry arse? After all, the families of the hostages are not convinced about his actions or motives. And neither is the International Criminal Court, who have got a warrant out for his arrest.
Seriously, does none of this remotely bother or even resonate with you?

As for your hypothesis that: "If Hamas cares, they would negotiate a safe exit from Gaza in return for freeing the remaining hostages. This would bring the war to an end immediately." ...

Again, another baseless opinion and one very few people would believe.

And as for describing a moderm nuclear state which is being bankrolled by the US to the tune of $4 billion a year systematically destroying a much smaller state and many of the people in it, a state that has no standing army and not even so much as a tank a "war" might help you to mitigate the catastrophic situation in Gaza, but it fools very few others.

 

[tel aviv city]

You don't know the history of your country very well.
Settlers?

Nonsense — that’s just another excuse.
There haven’t been any settlements in the Gaza Strip for over 20 years.
This is clearly more of an ideological issue, rooted in the fact that Hamas openly supports the destruction of Israel — not in any agreement or desire to live peacefully with their neighbors.

 

[robbieh]

Nonsense — that’s just another excuse.
There haven’t been any settlements in the Gaza Strip for over 20 years.
This is clearly more of an ideological issue, rooted in the fact that Hamas openly supports the destruction of Israel — not in any agreement or desire to live peacefully with their neighbors.

I'm talking about the West Bank.

 

[BTH]

Nonsense — that’s just another excuse.
There haven’t been any settlements in the Gaza Strip for over 20 years.
This is clearly more of an ideological issue, rooted in the fact that Hamas openly supports the destruction of Israel — not in any agreement or desire to live peacefully with their neighbors.

Israel has openly destroyed Gaza. Not talked about it, but actually done it.

Totally negates your argument.