Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

Breaks your heart looking at those photos of young children their whole lives ruined by Netanyahu and complicit in that action is Starmer and his government.

I try not to post them on here basically because it upsets me so much if I see them I don't want others to see them and get upset. If you have a live feed they crop up readily so you can go and find them yourselves if you really want to. Thing is I can see them, you can see them but somehow certain people on here, certain politicians and certain news outlets can't see them - allegedly
 
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I try not to post them on here basically because it upsets me so much if I see them I don't want others to see them and get upset. If you have a live feed they crop up readily so you can go and find them yourselves if you really want to. Thing is I can see them, you can see them but somehow certain people on here, certain politicians and certain news outlets can't see them - allegedly
We know our ministry of defence see the carnage in Gaza and report back to the foreign secretary, observation, spy planes fly daily and watch the bombed out buildings.

The pens where Palestinians are shot while queuing for food our government are well aware and do nothing despite the pictures that shock normal people but the government turn a blind eye to the horror Netanyahu imposes on Palestinians

They much rather make the Palestinian action group into a terrorist organisation, it took two days to do that. 18 months of watching the genocide and we DO NOTHING
 
We know our ministry of defence see the carnage in Gaza and report back to the foreign secretary, observation, spy planes fly daily and watch the bombed out buildings.

The pens where Palestinians are shot while queuing for food our government are well aware and do nothing despite the pictures that shock normal people but the government turn a blind eye to the horror Netanyahu imposes on Palestinians

They much rather make the Palestinian action group into a terrorist organisation, it took two days to do that. 18 months of watching the genocide and we DO NOTHING

Tis Labour Govt have backed themselves into a corner over Gaza. There are various reasons but I suspect one of the blind spots comes from being out of power for so long they lack experienced people to "read the room" and as with anything for some people you can go so far down the road that if you are stubborn enough you will plough on rather than stop and ask for directions
 
Tis Labour Govt have backed themselves into a corner over Gaza. There are various reasons but I suspect one of the blind spots comes from being out of power for so long they lack experienced people to "read the room" and as with anything for some people you can go so far down the road that if you are stubborn enough you will plough on rather than stop and ask for directions
What would Sunak have done that’s what I’m asking myself I know early doors while the hostages were held they would have supported Israel.
No excuses for Starmer I’m holding it against him he knows the law and I would have expected international law and he hasn’t even organised food aid or tried to get involved with peace talks.
Just left it to Trump and Netanyahu
 

Every night I’m hoping to hear we had enough and we’ve used the RAF and Navy to break the Israeli blockade.
Nothing only reports that when the food aid collection points are open the death rate of Palestinians rises dramatically. They are deliberately led into a trap by starvation and shot, what next ?
 
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A former security contractor for Gaza's controversial new Israel- and US-backed aid distribution sites has told the BBC that he witnessed colleagues opening fire several times on hungry Palestinians who had posed no threat, including with machine guns.

On one occasion, he said, a guard had opened fire from a watchtower with a machine gun because a group of women, children and elderly people was moving too slowly away from the site.


When asked to respond the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) said the allegations were categorically false.

They referred us to a statement saying that no civilians ever came under fire at the GHF distribution sites.
The GHF began its operations in Gaza at the end of May, distributing limited aid from several sites in southern and central Gaza. That followed an 11-week total blockade of Gaza by Israel during which no food entered the territory.

The system has been widely criticised for forcing vast numbers of people to walk through active combat zones to a handful of sites. Since the GHF started up, Israeli forces have killed more than 400 Palestinians trying to retrieve food aid from its sites, the UN and local doctors say. Israel says the new distribution system stops aid going to Hamas.
Continuing his description of the incident at one of the GHF sites - in which he said guards fired on a group of Palestinians - the former contractor said: "As that happened, another contractor on location, standing on the berm overlooking the exit, opened up with 15 to 20 shots of repetitive weapons fire at the crowd.

"A Palestinian man dropped to the ground motionless. And then the other contractor who was standing there was like, 'damn, I think you got one'. And then they laughed about it."

The contractor, who spoke to us on condition of anonymity, said GHF managers had brushed off his report as a coincidence, suggesting that the Palestinian man could have "tripped" or been "tired and passed out".

The GHF claimed the man who made these allegations is a "disgruntled former contractor" who they had terminated for misconduct, which he denies. He showed us evidence that he left the post on good terms.
 
BBC's man in the region Bowen sounds genuinely shocked at the "horrendous" events in Gaza.

I detect that coverage of what the IDF is doing has been ramped up since the criticism of the BBC over broadcasting the Vylan chants. Sometimes it's sounded like deliberate juxtaposition - story about the fallout from Glastonbury followed immediately by a story about the latest war crime in Gaza or the West Bank.
 

Every night I’m hoping to hear we had enough and we’ve used the RAF and Navy to break the Israeli blockade.
Nothing only reports that when the food aid collection points are open the death rate of Palestinians rises dramatically. They are deliberately led into a trap by starvation and shot, what next ?

I wouldn't hold your breath mate we use the RAF to send spy planes and assist the Israeli genocide. If you're thinking we're the good guys and we're gonna come to save the day at any point, I wouldn't get your hopes up. I dont think there's any hope at all in regards to that at this stage
 
I wouldn't hold your breath mate we use the RAF to send spy planes and assist the Israeli genocide. If you're thinking we're the good guys and we're gonna come to save the day at any point, I wouldn't get your hopes up. I dont think there's any hope at all in regards to that at this stage
Actually aiding genocide.
 
I don't want to be balanced about genocide. It's a bit emotive.

Exactly. How the fuck is someone expected to be reserved when it comes to this topic?

You mean you can't calmly discuss the pros and cons of genocide like a normal person?
It's not genocide though.

It may be shameful, inhumane, even constitute war crimes, but 'genocide' requires clear intent. The tens of thousands who have died are bad enough, even though many of those may well be Hamas members or supporters, but if there was intent it'd be ten times that number.
 
It's not genocide though.

It may be shameful, inhumane, even constitute war crimes, but 'genocide' requires clear intent. The tens of thousands who have died are bad enough, even though many of those may well be Hamas members or supporters, but if there was intent it'd be ten times that number.
The intent is pretty clear. Burying your head in the sand or shamelessly arguing semantics of wikipedia definitions doesn't change that.
 
Actually aiding genocide.
Yep. Very much involved

Matt Kennard just released a video on this earlier today, funnily enough. He explains how the UK has been refueling Israeli fighter jets, enabling them to bomb Gaza throughout the day. He says how British planes have been in the air refueling these jets just before they carried out strikes that killed civilians, giving Beit Lahia (73 civilians killed) and Jabalia as examples:

 
Of course there is. You just refuse to look.

And even if there wasn't (which there is), doesn't make it ok, nor render the discussion meaningless.
Whatever else it is, it's not a deliberate intent to wipe out the Palestinians. If they were carpet bombing Gaza & the West Bank day and night you might have a point but it's another stick or slogan to beat Israel with, like 'Zionism is racism' was years ago, that also got dropped as it wasn't true.
 
It's not genocide though.

It may be shameful, inhumane, even constitute war crimes, but 'genocide' requires clear intent. The tens of thousands who have died are bad enough, even though many of those may well be Hamas members or supporters, but if there was intent it'd be ten times that number.
How can you still be saying that after all this killing and destruction!

You a defending the undefendable. Why!? This has nothing to do with religion it's a genocide, an ethnic cleansing and occupation denying that is pure arrogance and stupidity at this point.

Tens of thousands who have died are bad enough? So you really believe innocent civilians are deserve death because they want to resist occupation?

More journalists and children have died in this genocide than in any other war and your measured response is to call anyone who is dead evil... So what if they are a hamas supporter! Why doesn't hamas have the right to exist but the idf does? Do occupied people not have the right to resistance? Actually they do according to the UN!
 
How can you still be saying that after all this killing and destruction!

You a defending the undefendable. Why!? This has nothing to do with religion it's a genocide, an ethnic cleansing and occupation denying that is pure arrogance and stupidity at this point.

Tens of thousands who have died are bad enough? So you really believe innocent civilians are deserve death because they want to resist occupation?

More journalists and children have died in this genocide than in any other war and your measured response is to call anyone who is dead evil... So what if they are a hamas supporter! Why doesn't hamas have the right to exist but the idf does? Do occupied people not have the right to resistance? Actually they do according to the UN!
I've described what I think it is. I've not in any way tried to defend it or say the innocents deserve to die. Hamas 'resisted' by massacring innocents, and now the people they are supposed to represent are suffering the appalling consequences.
 
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