Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

From this week's Whitehouse shit show: two sentences that indicate what a sad world we're living in

"Now, people will say it's not a (Palestine) complete state, it's not a state. We don't care," Netanyahu said.

At the meeting, the Israeli PM also said he had nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize, reportedly a long-held goal of the US president.
And a former Trumper from his first administration was on the radio, and included bombing Iran as part of his peacemaking credentials.

Can you imagine how many Nobel prizes would be returned?
 
I'm hearing now from Netanyahu that the solution in Gaza is through giving Palestinians the choice of a better future as non Palestinians in another country. The future of those who choose to remain in Gaza is by implication worse.
Getting Jews to leave was precisely Nazi policy before they came up with a final solution.
 
A co- ordinated plan in 2025 to deprive the Palestinians of their homeland and dignity, aided and abetted by the USA we know there is a plan to control us if you can’t criticise Netanyahu and his government when Palestinians are being bombed and their homes bulldozed and sold as real estate.
The world is a dangerous place currently as we cannot criticise without be labelled anti-Semitic.
Most people deplore what is happening in Gaza we see people being killed everyday but the government still does nothing. There are no independent journalists allowed in Gaza the media is forbidden to witness what is taking place

Yes his story was on the news yesterday but his identity was hidden he’s afraid of being identified a brave man with a conscious.
The IHRA examples of antisemitism might almost have been a pre-emptive strike.

"Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis" is an example, but if an Israeli newspaper can publish a blog about Israel needing the West Bank for Lebensraum (even if then withdrawn) that's a bit of an obvious comparison.

 
Dropping a nuke takes away the plausible deniability and no one could defend that.

Sure they could. They'd lie. They'd say Hamas got a dirty bomb and it all went South or use it as a Casus Belli against Iran or some other story and a lot of people would challenge the narrative but they'd be drowned out. I don't believe Israeli Government lying about things to suit is agenda and others just following along with that is really a far fetched scenario.

I think if people remove the sentiment and look at this, it's a pretty easy situation to judge. Israel are going to kill Hamas and if they have to burn down that entire country to do so then they're going to do it. No different from the Bin Laden hunt or a million other wars. It's almost the definition of a total war
 
Sure they could. They'd lie. They'd say Hamas got a dirty bomb and it all went South or use it as a Casus Belli against Iran or some other story and a lot of people would challenge the narrative but they'd be drowned out. I don't believe Israeli Government lying about things to suit is agenda and others just following along with that is really a far fetched scenario.

I think if people remove the sentiment and look at this, it's a pretty easy situation to judge. Israel are going to kill Hamas and if they have to burn down that entire country to do so then they're going to do it. No different from the Bin Laden hunt or a million other wars. It's almost the definition of a total war
You can’t kill an ideology no matter how many people you murder, the survivors will just take up the cause and as I said yesterday, seeing as the Palestinians aren’t allowed an ‘army’ as they’re being refused the right to class their land a country then when they persecuted they’ll resort to being ‘terrorists’.

Simple question is ask anyone who condemns them is what would you do if all your family were blown to pieces by an invading force?
 
There is no such thing as a civilised army operating within legal boundaries. Again, these are legal euphemisms designed to make war more palatable to people who would be outraged by such things, If you want to know how much the Geneva Convention is worth, look at how many states have breached it without punishment. It's a joke, a 20th century PR exercise. Nobody actually follows it as times get tougher.
Yes, there is such thing as a civilised army operating within legal boundaries. If a British soldier shot dead an Iraqi woman or child begging for food, they'd be in prison. Can you find me any example of the British army gratuitously killing groups of innocent people, over a sustained period, akin to the manner of the IDF? You'll be scouring the internet a long time to find a source, lets put it that way.

I don't know whether its naivety or brazen hypocrisy, either way it's laughable that some still believe Israel's end game is to get rid of Hamas.
 
Yes, there is such thing as a civilised army operating within legal boundaries. If a British soldier shot dead an Iraqi woman or child begging for food, they'd be in prison. Can you find me any example of the British army gratuitously killing groups of innocent people, over a sustained period, akin to the manner of the IDF? You'll be scouring the internet a long time to find a source, lets put it that way.

I don't know whether its naivety or brazen hypocrisy, either way it's laughable that some still believe Israel's end game is to get rid of Hamas.
I wouldn't equate the British armed forces with the IDF. But there's a public inquiry into alleged SAS war crimes in Afghanistan

And whatever the RAF is doing for Israel, I hope some may be questioning whether they should be assisting in Israel's war crimes.

 
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I wouldn't equate the British armed forces with the iDF. But there's a public inquiry into alleged SAS war crimes in Afghanistan

And whatever the RAF is doing for Israel, I hope some may be questioning whether they should be assisting in Israel's war crimes.

Fair retort. But two things; there's a public inquiry ongoing for these sickening actions, as per the article, so the perpetrators aren't hiding in plain sight like the IDF. And this would appear to be an isolated incident, rather than normalised behaviour of the British Army. I did caveat my point with "sustained period". Or am I being disingenuous?

I'm not naive enough to think there are no bad eggs in any civilised armed force, but most operate within the legal and ethical parameters they are bound to. That cannot be said of the IDF.

The RAF assisting leaves a sour taste, I agree, but it's a separate point of contention, and not quite as heinous as a soldier riddling a hungry child with bullets.
 
While I can understand Israel's genocidal behaviour given who they have elected as their leaders and the fact that it's a deeply fucked up place.
But we should not forget that the Palestinian's Arab and wider Muslim neighbours have been shamefully quiet, indeed complicit in the ongoing murder.
To put it bluntly, they've been bought off by the fascist in the white house.
 
As we are sending arms to Ukraine to at least give them a fighting chance, why aren't we arming the Palestinians?

When you actually sit down and think about what's happening in Gaza it's truly fuckin Bone Chilling. The world just watches Israel slaughtering folk day after day after day and so on. Wonder what go's on in those Palistinian kids minds. The images they must have in their heads of soldiers shooting at them and friends, family blown to bits. Totally and utterly helpless, trapped with zero chance of help off anyone. Unreal.
 
You can’t kill an ideology no matter how many people you murder, the survivors will just take up the cause and as I said yesterday, seeing as the Palestinians aren’t allowed an ‘army’ as they’re being refused the right to class their land a country then when they persecuted they’ll resort to being ‘terrorists’.

Simple question is ask anyone who condemns them is what would you do if all your family were blown to pieces by an invading force?
Or had their house bulldozed, their well concreted over, their children having to go through checkpoints on their way to school etc etc ..... and there is a shit load of etc's.

The simple answer is you would resist, in some form or other. I wouldn't call that an 'ideology', more a natural consequence .... as many Zionist/Israeli leaders have alluded to in the past.






 
Or had their house bulldozed, their well concreted over, their children having to go through checkpoints on their way to school etc etc ..... and there is a shit load of etc's.

The simple answer is you would resist, in some form or other. I wouldn't call that an 'ideology', more a natural consequence .... as many Zionist/Israeli leaders have alluded to in the past.






Excellent article. And one Stermer, Macron and the rest should read.
 
They can’t use a nuke as the land would be useless to them and at the end of the day that’s all this has been about, stealing more land.

whilst I understand what you are saying the more I see about them the more I think that they are beyond reason and could well convince themselves that somehow God or something will protect them as they rebuild the Gaza Riviera - Chernobyl was something that happened to other people but not them
 
Excellent article. And one Stermer, Macron and the rest should read.
I pulled it back up to emphasise the quotes tbh but having read it again. This bit ....

It is most important to note that in these declarations, none of these Israeli leaders thought that the reason the Palestinians resisted Israel was because Israel was Jewish.

On the contrary, they all affirmed that the reason Palestinians resist Israel and Israeli Jews is because Israelis stole and continue to steal their land and country, oppress them and deprive them of their independence and liberty.
 
Did I hear something about ‘Concentration Camps’ in Gaza?

Does anybody trust that if this comes to pass, Palestinians won’t be rounded up and picked off for no other reason than for asking for more gruel?

Honestly, I still can’t believe what I’m seeing/hearing, even though it became clear, very early, that the IDF had been driven into a blood first.

They are not officers/soldiers, they are state led murderers.
 
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I don’t know where this poll will end up, as it seems to just be increasing every time it’s reported, but I have a feeling it’s one that will be used by historians when this conflict is discussed in 50 years.

The degree to which you have to be radicalised in order to think that babies and children dying in Gaza are not innocent is terrifying.


An internment camp is being discussed by Trump and Netanyahu according to the BBC, “people will be allowed out but they can’t get back in” we do nothing to stop the madness, platitudes won’t help we have to stop the enforced relocation of two million Palestinians
 
I pulled it back up to emphasise the quotes tbh but having read it again. This bit ....

It is most important to note that in these declarations, none of these Israeli leaders thought that the reason the Palestinians resisted Israel was because Israel was Jewish.

On the contrary, they all affirmed that the reason Palestinians resist Israel and Israeli Jews is because Israelis stole and continue to steal their land and country, oppress them and deprive them of their independence and liberty.
And the false anti Semitic narrative has pervaded the narrative for decades in the West doing what it is supposed to do. Paint the Palestinians in a bad light like the Nazis. In fact I'd reckon the average European supporting Israel is more anti Semitic than a Palestinian.
 

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