Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

[Postman Pep]

A proud Zionist too was Biden.

More a choice than a belief ..... and an entirely Trump like transactional one at that. The best that can be said about genocide Joe is that he never wavered ...


Whatever position on Israel Biden took now, Livingston recalled the candidate allegedly telling him, would be the one he would publicly take for the rest of his career.

“But if you want to know my true beliefs — I think the only solution is to have the United States and Russia negotiate a settlement in the Middle East, make Jerusalem an international city, and have Israel give back all the territory it has occupied,” the Inquirer quoted Biden as saying, based on Livingston’s recollection. Biden also allegedly said: “I don’t think the United States would be one bit weaker if Israel went under — we shouldn’t get tied down to countries like this.”

How Joe Biden Became a Steadfast Israel Defender

Why has Joe Biden been such a die-hard defender of Benjamin Netanyahu’s genocidal campaign against Gaza? The answer can be found in part through a deep dive into Biden’s early political career.

jacobin.com

 

[kaz7]

BBC are the worst. They won't recognise any of the Palestinians kidnapped and tortured by the Israelis as Hostages. But the ones kidnapped by Hamas are Hostages. Weird

I was just here to make that point. I feel sick that the thousands of drs and aid workers as well as innocent Palestinians have been kidnapped by the bibi **** that are never referred to as hostages

I also feel sick seeing the innocent people rushing back to their homes to find there is nothing there, not just the odd street here and there but most of gaza land is gone

I also feel sick at the bowing down to Israel after what they have done to innocents is fucking disgusting and trump could have reigned bibi on a year ago and spared thousands of lives. He never says killing a couple of hundred journo and aid workers, hospitals bombed over and over again was wrong

The idf have killed more hostages by bombing the tunnels than hamas i would think, it hasnt been about getting the hostages back for a while, i believe they saw a chance to kill as many Palestinians as possible and level the entire place

This has really wound me up

 

[Vic]

More a choice than a belief ..... and an entirely Trump like transactional one at that. The best that can be said about genocide Joe is that he never wavered ...


Whatever position on Israel Biden took now, Livingston recalled the candidate allegedly telling him, would be the one he would publicly take for the rest of his career.

“But if you want to know my true beliefs — I think the only solution is to have the United States and Russia negotiate a settlement in the Middle East, make Jerusalem an international city, and have Israel give back all the territory it has occupied,” the Inquirer quoted Biden as saying, based on Livingston’s recollection. Biden also allegedly said: “I don’t think the United States would be one bit weaker if Israel went under — we shouldn’t get tied down to countries like this.”

How Joe Biden Became a Steadfast Israel Defender

Why has Joe Biden been such a die-hard defender of Benjamin Netanyahu’s genocidal campaign against Gaza? The answer can be found in part through a deep dive into Biden’s early political career.

jacobin.com

"...the Inquirer quoted Biden as saying, based on Livingston’s recollection..."

So might be totally fabricated?

In any case, what Biden understood as a young senator as Zionism is barely going to address current understanding.

The shift in opinions on Zionism has been particularly confusing for many Jewish Americans. Though 58% of Jewish Americans describe themselves as Zionist, according to a 2022 survey conducted by Carleton University political scientist Mira Sucharov, the term means vastly different things to different people. [ https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/202...st-means/00000184-0f30-d1a0-a1ee-cf7e0e120000 ] A majority see Zionism as signifying a connection to Israel (about 70%), and about just as many view it as a belief in Israel as a Jewish and democratic state (72%), while a small minority describe it as “privileging Jewish rights over non-Jewish rights in Israel” (10%). Recent polling of Americans more broadly shows that many are unfamiliar with the term.

But for Palestinians, the notion that there’s a version of Zionism under which they can live in dignity is contradicted by history, because Zionism underpins the policies that drove their mass displacement from what became Israel in 1948 and has continued to displace them since. “When people think of Zionism now, they look at Gaza,” Saree Makdisi, a professor of English and comparative literature at the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA), said. “This is what it means: that you want to have an ethnically exclusive state,” he said. “It’s ugly.”

Arguably for the first time, a Palestinian perspective on Zionism is taking center stage in mainstream discourse. “A lot more young people, including young Jews, are listening to their Palestinian friends and classmates who are saying: ‘This is what Zionism means to us,’” said Simone Zimmerman, the media director of Diaspora Alliance, an international organization focused on combating antisemitism and its weaponization. This explains how terms like “ethnostate”, “Jewish supremacy” and “settler-colonialism” have become central to the protests.

How ‘Zionist’ became a slur on the US left

For many Jews, Zionism signifies a connection to Israel. But a large number of student protesters see the violence in Gaza as a logical conclusion of the late 19th century ideology

www.theguardian.com

 

[bluethrunthru]

anybody shocked? They will just frame it in some way the fault of HAMAS.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Sadly mate that Hamas has called on its members to take up arms and reassert its control over Gaza makes me think no lessons have been learnt.

None whatsoever and all the while the innocent die.

There can’t be that many Hamas members left if the IDF figures are to be believed, the state of Gaza has been destroyed and Trump is sending in American peacekeepers?

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

The invasion is over but the killing goes on another journalist has been killed there will be no one left to give evidence and document the truth. Except for Doctors without borders.

 

[i kne albert davy]

There can’t be that many Hamas members left if the IDF figures are to be believed, the state of Gaza has been destroyed and Trump is sending in American peacekeepers?

Seem to be killing each other now for who's going to be in charge of what's left.

 

[The Northern Baptist]

The invasion is over but the killing goes on another journalist has been killed there will be no one left to give evidence and document the truth. Except for Doctors without borders.

Who killed him and why? Do you know?

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Who killed him and why? Do you know?

Reading the comments on X, factions inside Gaza not the IDF directly.

 

[Vic]

Seem to be killing each other now for who's going to be in charge of what's left.

That'll be what's left of Hamas against the Netanyahu-backed local clans

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Seem to be killing each other now for who's going to be in charge of what's left.

I was thinking a peace keeping force should be in place, I’m sure none of the lovely people I’ve seen in videos who are grateful to be alive, but Gaza has gangs those people who lurk in the shadows.

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

Absolutely scandalous what's gone on there with that Barsi Weiss.

Tiktok has been removing references to aipac apparently since trump forced through the sale to Larry ellison (the zionist billionaire who has donated hundreds of millions to the idf):



Twitter has gone insane with the propaganda. My feed has been full of zionist bullshit for days - eyal yakoby, eylon levy, Tommy robinson, Mike Graham, hartley brewer, Wallis Simons, gb news, etc etc. People are reporting the same and that non zionist accounts are being throttled



Re the "ceasefire" my guess is israel will pump the world with the hostage stories when they're released and probably use that to justify mass murdering Palestinians again. People over here are miles behind understanding how israel works so everyone will fall for it, hopefully there are enough voices in the US to prevent israel "finishing the job" (a holocaust)

 

[Blue and true]

The invasion is over but the killing goes on another journalist has been killed there will be no one left to give evidence and document the truth. Except for Doctors without borders.

RIP to the brave soul. It's people like this that are exposing these scumbags for what they are. Hope they, along with the doctors, nurses and other humanitarians, continue unabated.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Where would you start to rebuild a little shelter, supposing you found your plot ? Gather up the concrete and pile it into a hut ? Retuning home most will be forced to find shelter in the south where the camp is.

 

[Gobshiight]

Tiktok has been removing references to aipac apparently since trump forced through the sale to Larry ellison (the zionist billionaire who has donated hundreds of millions to the idf):



Twitter has gone insane with the propaganda. My feed has been full of zionist bullshit for days - eyal yakoby, eylon levy, Tommy robinson, Mike Graham, hartley brewer, Wallis Simons, gb news, etc etc. People are reporting the same and that non zionist accounts are being throttled



Re the "ceasefire" my guess is israel will pump the world with the hostage stories when they're released and probably use that to justify mass murdering Palestinians again. People over here are miles behind understanding how israel works so everyone will fall for it, hopefully there are enough voices in the US to prevent israel "finishing the job" (a holocaust)

That 2nd account is posting some pretty reprehensible stuff itself

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Tiktok has been removing references to aipac apparently since trump forced through the sale to Larry ellison (the zionist billionaire who has donated hundreds of millions to the idf):



Twitter has gone insane with the propaganda. My feed has been full of zionist bullshit for days - eyal yakoby, eylon levy, Tommy robinson, Mike Graham, hartley brewer, Wallis Simons, gb news, etc etc. People are reporting the same and that non zionist accounts are being throttled



Re the "ceasefire" my guess is israel will pump the world with the hostage stories when they're released and probably use that to justify mass murdering Palestinians again. People over here are miles behind understanding how israel works so everyone will fall for it, hopefully there are enough voices in the US to prevent israel "finishing the job" (a holocaust)

Freedom of speech, eh?

 

[TinFoilHat]

Bibi and other Israeli officials using insensitive language to describe Palestinians today doesn't sound like a peace deal. It sounds like retrieve the hostages then destroy what's left of Palestine under some pretence that a Hamas official farted or some other ridiculous excuse.

Whilst social media and legacy news organisations tar anyone that dares to challenge the Israeli government as anti semites.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Bibi and other Israeli officials using insensitive language to describe Palestinians today doesn't sound like a peace deal. It sounds like retrieve the hostages then destroy what's left of Palestine under some pretence that a Hamas official farted or some other ridiculous excuse.

Whilst social media and legacy news organisations tar anyone that dares to challenge the Israeli government as anti semites.

This^^ it’s already written, why stop at the point where you nearly have the whole of Gaza in your hands. The troops have only gone to the yellow line.

Our role in this ceasefire is deplorable

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Sadly mate that Hamas has called on its members to take up arms and reassert its control over Gaza makes me think no lessons have been learnt.

None whatsoever and all the while the innocent die.

Hamas are finished mate. They were months ago.

 

[The blue phantom]

Where would you start to rebuild a little shelter, supposing you found your plot ? Gather up the concrete and pile it into a hut ? Retuning home most will be forced to find shelter in the south where the camp is.

Where the fuck do you start with these pictures. How on earth can anybody even muster any form of defence for this Barbaric Evil Israeli regime.

Fuckin Bone Chilling. There's going to be a lot worse to come too.