Middle East Conflict

[trueblue1972]

The statements coming out of the White House, the threat of legal review about how American arms are used, the bellicose rhetoric coming out of the Israeli government, the Americans are being pressured by everyone now to call a halt

There’s going to come a point where the Israelis are going to have to say what comes next, they seem to think that kicking the problem into the long grass like they did before is going to work again, but the 1000s of deaths in this latest round ensures it won’t be, new generations with little sympathy for their position are coming into power now

The choice is stark, either a two state solution or equal rights for all, it can’t go on like this it’s destabilising the world and the strategic interests of the west

I had some questions about America's stan based on articles I read searching after your previous comment , and I can't bloody find them now !

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I’m still trying to work out how people can support what Israel is doing, can anybody explain it to me?

 

[halfcenturyup]

This is what I don't u derstand about israel's stated aim of completely eradicating Hamas.
Apart from it being wildly improbable, even if they killed every member of hamas, they are going to piss off that many young Palestinians, Hamas mk2 will form the day after.

And mk2s are always more extreme than the mk1s.

 

[cucumberman]

The tide is turning against the Israel right-wing government.

Well done to the journalists from various prime news rather than staying on the high horse, are more covering first hand coverage whilst ignoring the Israel propaganda machine.

Special mention to CNN Clarissa Ward, one of the first few who directly interacted with the injured, the amputated, the disfigured thousands if not tens of thousands, to show to the whole world even just a glimpse but a clear situation of humans being indiscriminately attacked.

IDF motto is now IDgaF when decimating a population of children women and citizens. Self-defence? It’s more of ‘I Don’t Give A Fuck’.

158 countries of the world are now against this ‘1st country’ Israel. For their extreme violence, Its high time they get isolated until they understand they are not holier than thou. Bullies are better cordoned off.

 

[halfcenturyup]

The statements coming out of the White House, the threat of legal review about how American arms are used, the bellicose rhetoric coming out of the Israeli government, the Americans are being pressured by everyone now to call a halt

There’s going to come a point where the Israelis are going to have to say what comes next, they seem to think that kicking the problem into the long grass like they did before is going to work again, but the 1000s of deaths in this latest round ensures it won’t be, new generations with little sympathy for their position are coming into power now

The choice is stark, either a two state solution or equal rights for all, it can’t go on like this it’s destabilising the world and the strategic interests of the west

Once again, you are more optimistic than I am.

Despite the clearer wording from America, the Israelis continue to do what they want, with a few minor concessions which make no difference on the ground (I do wonder if the "indiscriminate bombing" quote was intended or just an off-the-cuff remark. I can imagine his advisors going wtf?).

I don't pin any hopes on a review of the use of military aid. All too slow, the conflict will be finished before that happens. Nor, again, on the hold-up to the funding. They will get their money.

I don't believe the Israelis don't
have a plan, either. I also don't believe the US don't know what that is. All these people say one thing publicly and say another privately.

As for a one-state solution, that is never going to happen with 5 million Palestinians, and if they don't want a two-state solution, there isn't much left ....

 

[cucumberman]

Imagine the psyche of a progressive humane world, against the psyche of a rewarded promised world.

vs.

 

[cucumberman]

The Israel right wing government has no substance to prohibit the accounts of foreign press in Gaza by sweeping under the carpet.

The tide is turning. Enough of the IDF posting their own propaganda videos on behalf of foreign press.

 

[cucumberman]

The Shadia Abu Ghazala School (UN School)

No shelling, no mortar. No bombs. Palestinians were sheltering the school in hopes of being safe from bombings.

IDF arrived. Pulled out the Palestinian men. The women and young children were inside.

Then after, all them were killed. Point blank. Women. Children. Babies. Execution style. Their bodies piled up.

 

[robbieh]

Biden is just saying what he wants his voters to hear. Many of them will be worried by what they are seeing on TV. He's keeping them onside. Privately he's giving Israel more and more time to do what they want.
Most aid agencies, the UN, some European politicians as well as most countries in the global south know the line was crossed weeks if not months ago.
Britain is the US's lapdog and seemingly the US is Israel's.

 

[Vic]

Nah I do think it's revenge. Robbing their land has been going on for decades seemingly.
None of this happens without Hamas being the shite that they are.

But tbh I think Hamas, Gaza, have won the war.... We all now have a little bit of dislike or hatred for Israel.

Job done, you stupid Israeli govn and its right wing supporters.

If it's been going on for decades, it was happening before Hamas existed. Hamas exists because it had been happening for decades.