Middle East Conflict

[inbetween]

No, no, no. We were told Iran and Hamas are an existential threat to Israel because of ........ words ........ , as justification for what is going on in Gaza. What has changed?

Well they potentially are an existential threat, Iran has a state goal of the destruction of Israel, they want to acquire nuclear weapons for that reason. Currently Iran hasn't got the means to do what it wants to do.

Hamas and Yemeni Houthis similarly have a goal of the destruction of Israel and they haven't got the means to do it either.

It's just untrue that Hamas, Iran etc all just want a cozy peaceful solution and Israel are the bastards. Obviously the Israeli regime doesn't want peace either but that's why they're blowing each other up, Israel is just far better equipped to do that.

Rhetoric is not the difference between the two parties, military capability is the difference.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Well they potentially are an existential threat, Iran has a state goal of the destruction of Israel, they want to acquire nuclear weapons for that reason. Currently Iran hasn't got the means to do what it wants to do.

Hamas and Yemeni Houthis similarly have a goal of the destruction of Israel and they haven't got the means to do it either.

It's just untrue that Hamas, Iran etc all just want a cozy peaceful solution and Israel are the bastards. Obviously the Israeli regime doesn't want peace either but that's why they're blowing each other up, Israel is just far better equipped to do that.

Rhetoric is not the difference between the two parties, military capability is the difference.

So we agree there is currently no existential threat to Israel from anywhere?

 

[lloydie]

Well they potentially are an existential threat, Iran has a state goal of the destruction of Israel, they want to acquire nuclear weapons for that reason. Currently Iran hasn't got the means to do what it wants to do.

Hamas and Yemeni Houthis similarly have a goal of the destruction of Israel and they haven't got the means to do it either.

It's just untrue that Hamas, Iran etc all just want a cozy peaceful solution and Israel are the bastards. Obviously the Israeli regime doesn't want peace either but that's why they're blowing each other up, Israel is just far better equipped to do that.

Rhetoric is not the difference between the two parties, military capability is the difference.

Maybe we should stop equipping them then.

 

[Vic]

Imagine on a flight

How were they shipped to Lebanon? Sea or air? Are there now ways of getting explosives on a plane undetected?

 

[Vic]

Well they potentially are an existential threat, Iran has a state goal of the destruction of Israel, they want to acquire nuclear weapons for that reason. Currently Iran hasn't got the means to do what it wants to do.

Hamas and Yemeni Houthis similarly have a goal of the destruction of Israel and they haven't got the means to do it either.

It's just untrue that Hamas, Iran etc all just want a cozy peaceful solution and Israel are the bastards. Obviously the Israeli regime doesn't want peace either but that's why they're blowing each other up, Israel is just far better equipped to do that.

Rhetoric is not the difference between the two parties, military capability is the difference.

Surely Iran needs nukes for deterrence. That's our argument for having them.

 

[bluethrunthru]

European court rejects Paterson appeal over report into improper lobbying

Judges rule parliamentary standards investigation into the then Tory MP was fair in finding ‘egregious’ breach

www.theguardian.com

 

[inbetween]

Surely Iran needs nukes for deterrence. That's our argument for having them.

Anybody who thinks that is actually stupid.

To quote Khamenei directly this year - "the divine promise to eliminate the Zionist entity will be fulfilled and we will see the day when Palestine will rise from the river to the sea."

Not to mention the years of rhetoric and countdown clocks to Israels destruction.

 

[inbetween]

So we agree there is currently no existential threat to Israel from anywhere?

I honestly don't understand the argument.

Iran are not an existential threat today but only because of years of successful western sanctions and Israeli intelligence actions which have prevented Iran acquiring nuclear weapons.

If Iran did acquire nuclear weapons then do you believe that they'd use them in Israel? The rhetoric and Iranian government suggests so? At what point will you admit that Iran are a bit of a pain in the arse?

Notice we haven't spoken about anybody wanting peace, that sort of sums this up doesn't it?

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Well they potentially are an existential threat, Iran has a state goal of the destruction of Israel, they want to acquire nuclear weapons for that reason. Currently Iran hasn't got the means to do what it wants to do.

Hamas and Yemeni Houthis similarly have a goal of the destruction of Israel and they haven't got the means to do it either.

It's just untrue that Hamas, Iran etc all just want a cozy peaceful solution and Israel are the bastards. Obviously the Israeli regime doesn't want peace either but that's why they're blowing each other up, Israel is just far better equipped to do that.

Rhetoric is not the difference between the two parties, military capability is the difference.

A lot of truth there, but why are Israel far better equipped?

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Anybody who thinks that is actually stupid.

To quote Khamenei directly this year - "the divine promise to eliminate the Zionist entity will be fulfilled and we will see the day when Palestine will rise from the river to the sea."

Not to mention the years of rhetoric and countdown clocks to Israels destruction.

I could be wrong but I suspect you’re missing @Vic ‘s point.