Middle East Conflict

Prestwich_Blue said:
Ajax, like Spurs, are known as a 'Jewish' club for various reasons. The attacks on Israelis seem to have taken place outside the stadium, apparently involving groups of Arabs.

Ironic that some of those vehemently decrying attacks on innocent Palestinians are disgustingly cheering this attack on Jews, just for being Jews, who may have all sorts of varying views on what's happening in Gaza & Lebanon. Some of you are utterly abhorrent.

If Bluemoon had been around in the 1930's, the aftermath of Kristallnacht would have been interesting.
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Respectfully PB, that comparison in your last line is absolutely ludicrous, though I appreciate why you feel the way you do and I don't want to belittle those emotions at all.

The violence against Maccabi fans is absolutely unacceptable, as was the apparent violence of some of those fans in the nights before, and in earlier incidents this year e.g. when they beat an Arab man unconscious in Athens when they were there for a fixture, against Olympiacos I think it was. That incident, and the incidents in Amsterdam, went viral on social media. The people who attacked those Israeli fans undoubtedly saw those videos, along with the hundreds of images and videos of slaughtered children that have been circulating over the last year. Some Tel Aviv fans singing songs about all those dead children probably hits very hard for many people against that background.

This context has to be taken into account if we want to understand what happened and why. Not to mention the more general reality of football hooliganism across Europe which we've all been exposed to to some degree here and there over the years. Comparisons to pogroms, especially the November pogrom when around a hundred people were killed and multiple synagogues and other buildings totally destroyed, I think are not helpful.
 
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Nethermoor said:
It's a relentless situation for them and I have sympathy.

Hamas are scum. Ordinary palestinians (i presume) are just normal folk. Albeit persecuted.

But Hamas brought this on them, although it hasn't been great for them for years they really have made it worse. I don't know what the answer is.
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Aye, everything was rosy before Hamas came along, as we all know.
 
Nethermoor said:
It's a relentless situation for them and I have sympathy.

Hamas are scum. Ordinary palestinians (i presume) are just normal folk. Albeit persecuted.

But Hamas brought this on them, although it hasn't been great for them for years they really have made it worse. I don't know what the answer
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Sorry but in my opinion the IDF Nazis are worse than scum. Deliberately murdering defenceless innocent women and children.

We are witnessing ethnic cleansing by Israel, clearly genocide, with the US being just as guilty in facilitating the IDF operations.

The answer you are looking for is an immediate ceasefire and allowing humanitarian aid into Gaza.

Without this happening, Remembrance Sunday services are a sick mockery of the sacrifices made by those who died fighting Nazism.

The Palestinian Holocaust is being perpetrated right now by Israeli forces using every evil action the Nazis ever
used against the Jews.

Thank you Al Jazeera correspondents for your bravery in bringing the truth from Gaza.
 
I certainly don't agree with Israel's actions but people being attacked at football games because of their nationality isn't acceptable.

I don't like the Russians invading Ukraine but I wouldn't go attacking their fans if we were playing a Russian team in the champions league.
 
117 M34 said:
I certainly don't agree with Israel's actions but people being attacked at football games because of their nationality isn't acceptable.
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No it's not acceptable but it's gone on for decades, not sure why this is is any different to the countless other times
 
Blue Elvis said:
Sorry but in my opinion the IDF are worse than scum. Deliberately murdering defenceless innocent women and children.
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well we know that because they are complaining about suffering from PTSD and some have taken their lives because of what they have done.

Some of course claim its defence and they are looking for hostages but for the life of me I have never heard anyone say Hezbollah are holding any Oct 7th hostages.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Why can't people simply accept that, regardless of where your sympathies lie, both sides have an awful lot to answer for?
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Support the conviction and trial of war crimes by the ICJ on the 3 Hamas and 2 Israeli listed.

That’s a start.

Of the 2 Israel blokes listed, the PM has fired the Minister of Defence.

The Minister of Defence proposed a flight to the US days after October 7 aftermath to conduct hostage returns and a two-state solution. The PM rejected that meeting. The PM, and Ben Gvir and Smotrich are pro one-state.

The Minister of Defence requested for the full withdrawal of the IDF from Gaza due to absence of objective. The PM rejected that withdrawal, and in fact conducted 3 military occupations advancements.

The Minister of Defence requested for the full withdrawal of Gaza and in place the governance of Gaza by a non-Hamas Palestinian authority. The PM rejected that non-military governance and instead determined the IDF military occupation.

Both are ICJ listed war criminals.
 
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