Middle East Conflict

[MellowJoe]

How come he's been sacked for that?

 

[cucumberman]

If Israel wants a real change in the dynamics then that leadership comes from the top of the Israeli government - you can never expect others to change, if you want change you have to change your own behaviour/ attitude as that is the only thing you can control.

Optimistic, but pipe dream. The last time a leader wanting to have peace, Nobel Peace Prize winner Rabin was himself assassinated by an Israeli. Is that belief an anomaly or the norm?

While it’s true that there exist Israelis, including 1400+ former IDF soldiers as a society who are pro-peace and against illegal settlements, the repercussions in doing so are dangerous.

 

[grunge]

How come he's been sacked for that?

Steve Bell sacked by Guardian in antisemitism row over Netanyahu cartoon - BBC News

Cartoon of Israeli PM Netanyahu was pulled following a row over its meaning.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[metalblue]

Atheism is based on the belief that god doesn’t exist, which makes it exactly the same as all other religions. The Althusser believes they know better than the Christian/Jew/Muslim in the same way a religious person knows better than the atheist.

God will never be proved nor disproved.

I think more and more people are on the don’t give a fuck about god train. The passive agnostics.

In the immortal ramblings of Ricky Gervais there have been 3000 gods, you don’t believe in 2999 of them, you deny they exist, I just don’t believe in 1 more than you do.

 

[MellowJoe]

Steve Bell sacked by Guardian in antisemitism row over Netanyahu cartoon - BBC News

Cartoon of Israeli PM Netanyahu was pulled following a row over its meaning.

www.bbc.co.uk

Cheers, I was just wondering what people thought.. my mind didn't go to the merchant of Venice at all, I thought it was a dig at Netanyahu, cos although he's got boxing gloves on (ready for a fight) he can still manage to weild a scalpel to outline the strip on his guts..
I don't see the antisemitism myself, but I guess you have to be clever to find it

 

[threespires]

How come he's been sacked for that?

Think contract not being renewed when it expires next year. Think he's been 'let go' before but then reappeared.

For reference this is the LBJ cartoon that Bell explicitly states his cartoon is inspired by.

 

[SamBlue]

How come he's been sacked for that?

Because Merchant of Venice has been debated and considered anti-Semitic for decades. In post-Corbyn, completely 'starmerised' UK the cartoons like this one are the highest of moral crimes.

And yet a journo in The Times wrote it is time for silence now, while IDF is very close to expelling 2.2 million Palestinians from Gaza. We really live in some shitty times.

Cannot wait for fucking Saturday even if we lose.

 

[cucumberman]

A perfect summary of the situation unfolding from one of many brave Jews that are daring to speak out against most western media and politicians narrative:

Many not privy to the braves, Avi Shlaim included, may not perceive them as representing Israel.

If so, consider the first-hand forefronts of all forefronts, former-IDFs who have after themselves involved in operations, realized to not support the heavy-handed actions. More than 1400 former soldiers have been speaking on the actions of war.







Of course, when following these actions, armchair critics will go “well yes, but…”

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

In the immortal ramblings of Ricky Gervais there have been 3000 gods, you don’t believe in 2999 of them, you deny they exist, I just don’t believe in 1 more than you do.

Ok. That doesn’t mean that they do exist or not though, just your belief.

 

[goalmole]

Sounds like a similar Jewish story 80 years ago (or most of the last 4000 years). I understand your point of view very well, but you should be the first to understand the other side, too.
Fighting for a place to live.

Speaking for Germany (which I can't really do) I'm sure the vast majority has much more sympathies for Palestinians than for Israel due to Israel settling policies. Your claim 'Palestinians don't matter to anyone' certainly couldn't be more untrue. Not only for Germany.
Question is, what can be done in this complex matter.

That said, you shouldn't be surprised if the sympathies are under review if some brainwashed hateful extremists kill civilians.

Actually I don't think a peaceful sustainable solution can be found in that region. Too much has happened on that soil over thousands of years. Is this Palestine soil or Jewish? Arab? Muslim? What about Jerusalem alone? Which God wills it more?

We would have to relocate Israel somewhere to the US or wait til Greenland is warm enough. But I wouldn't bet much that Sunnis and Shiites would live peaceful together on that soil left by Jews.

Humans act according to their brain structure. It's fundamentally organized in our early years. We should finally start to discuss what we teach our young kids to later have peaceful adults.
Respect instead of hatred and revenge. Job done - theoretically.

I totally understand the other side insomuch as the Jewish people need a place to call home.
I'm totally behind that.
Home should be where it is now, but that should not preclude a viable independent Palestinian state with the right to it's own independent government, currency, defence forces and all the other apparatus that goes to forming an independent nation state.
When that has happened, and then we're the Palestinians, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran or whoever it is to continue their campaign against Israel then I would be firmly on the side of Israel.
As it is, Israel is the oppressor and the aggressor. It has through it's policy of confiscation, encroachment and settlement building, eviction, expulsion, killing and downright dehumanisation of the Palestinian people, succeeded in creating a system of apartheid where the Palestinians are herded into walled and fenced enclaves and kept on a drip feed somewhere between bare existence and absolute misery at the discretion of Israel.
No people would tolerate and endure this, the Palestinians are no different.
It is the responsibility of Israel and the powers that back it to bring this about rather than use their overwhelming strength to sustain and prolong this injustice, otherwise the outcome will be a continuing cycle of violence resulting in death and misery not only for the Palestinians but too for the Israelis.